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Minuteman Bus Cut Gets Parents Fuming

Superintendent says cut was necessary.

 

Parents of Medford students who attend Minuteman Regional High School accused Superintendent Roy Belson of exposing their children to bullying, and bullying, himself, during Monday's Medford School Committee meeting.

Medford Public Schools used to provide a bus exculsively for transportation to and from Minuteman, but that stopped this year in a cost-cutting move. Since Minuteman's first day on Aug. 27, a bus takes students to Minuteman about 6:30 a.m., returns to Medford to run Elementary school pick-ups and drop-offs, and returns to Minuteman about 3:30 p.m. to bring students back to Medford. But that leaves students at the school with about an hour between school's end and the bus arriving.

During Monday's meeting, several parents accused Belson -- who previously cited a combination of rising transportation costs and increases in costs payed to Minuteman as reasons for consolidating buses -- of putting children in the middle of bargaining.

"For the past two weeks the Medford students who ride the bus to Minuteman have been the victims of bullying," parent Angela Moore said Monday. "...We are astonished that such animosity is allowed to dictate our school system."

Before instituting the current plan, Belson had previously called for funding for the Minuteman bus to be cut entirely and replace it with MBTA passes for students. On Monday, he admitted those initial plans were partly made in an effort to bring attention to what he views as issues with funding for the school.

"We needed something to get people to be really interested in what was going on," Belson said.

Medford Public Schools pick up a portion of the tuition cost for Minuteman students who live in Medford. The district will pay over $1 million to the public regional school this year, with the cost per pupil going up $3,800 from last year, Belson said.

Days before the start of school, an agreement was reached where Minuteman would provide the return bus service for Medford students by adding on to the bus that runs to Arlington, Belson said. But the regional school backed out of that agreement when they learned they wouldn't receive as much transportation reimbursement from the state as they expected, he said.

On Monday, Belson defended his decision to cut the bus, a move he said saves the district about $60,000 and has approval of the state's Department of Education.

"Reality tells us that we have to do something to recapture our cost if we aren’t going to take away from students who stay in Medford," Belson said.

The bus arrives at Minuteman at 3:30 p.m. for pick-up everyday except Wednesday, when it arrives at 2:30 p.m., since Medford elementary schools have early release that day, Belson said. On Tuesdays and Thursdays, Minuteman offers help time with teachers for an hour after school, he said, leaving only Monday and Friday as days without structure for the hour.

 "I don’t think there’s anything wrong with our students getting afterschool help," he said.

But Patricia Flynn, a Medford resident and parent of a Minuteman student, said that time leaves her son and other students vulnerable to bullying.

"This is not an inconvenience, this is an attack on a child’s education," she said Monday. "This is unsafe."

Belson said he disagreed that the students were unsafe, and if bullying occurred it should be handled by Minuteman.

"If they are being bullied in the Minuteman environment, then what is Minuteman doing about it?" he said.

Mayor Michael McGlynn, chairman of the school committee, said he would to review the matter with the city's procurement and finance offices and Belson would have to discuss the matter further with both Minuteman and the city's bus provider.

"I thought it was a little better than I’m finding out tonight," he said Monday, "but it’s not going to get solved tonight."

School Committee Member Erin DiBenedetto suggested holding an emergency committee of the whole meeting to address the matter, but Belson disagreed. Better progress would be made behind closed doors, he said.

"Letting a bunch of people vent, that might be a good exersise, but it’s not going to get you very far," he said.

Related Topics: Medford Schools and Minuteman

val cap

11:04 am on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

OMG that is all he talks about is the students staying after for extra help. well as said at the meeting last night a lot of students are on I.E.P. and don't need help and can do their homework in support or study classes. also not everyone wants to play sports or join a club. THEY WANT TO COME HOME and chill after being in school all day. come one who wants to stay their longer than they have too. also the children who get of at the last bus stop get home late. In the winter it will be dark and some of them after getting off the bus have another 20 mins or so to walk home. what about the bad weather? AS WE KNOW NOT EVERYONE SHOVELS. This is very dangerous walking home in the dark on slippery sidewalks. what do they do walk in the street???????? He also said at 14 they can walk home YA RIGHT IN THIS CRAZY WORLD WE LIVE. we hear so many stories. This time needs to change and change fast. What about doctors appointments in the winter if kids are getting home at 5:00 or 4:45 what doctors are open that late????? or dentist?????? I'm at not happy about this at all. also why can he use the middle school bus? they get out earlier. WE WANT THE BUS TO LEAVE AT 2:30 NOT LET OUR CHILDREN HANG AROUND. WHAT ABOUT FAMILY TIME???? OR WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO TO CCD. Also said he spent 2,000,000.00 on the pool at Medford high. He should have paid for the buses not the pool.

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Steve Meuse

11:06 am on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

They can work on homework for the hour since it has to be done anyway. What does it matter if there is no "structure" for two days? These are high school kids. If it's really that much of an issue, they can drive to school or be picked up/get a ride. In most districts the bus leaves so close to the end of school that students barely even have time to talk to a teacher for a few minutes without missing the bus. I consider these students lucky.

As for the bullying, getting students out of the school building as quickly as possible to avoid it seems counterproductive. You need to address the actual bullying problem. It just seems like a bargaining chip in this situation.

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Patricia Flynn

11:29 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Steve,
MM has a special education population of 50%, so half of it's student body receives a 45 or so minutes of "resource/support" daily. They have help with their homework there, receive tutoring and are taught organizational and study skills.
It is 4 days of "unstructured" time. There are some teachers who remain after school on Tuesday's and Thursday's. However, how many Medford students can they accommodate. Let's not forget there are hundreds of other students that attend that school. For the record my son attended MM last year and stayed after school for extra help when he needed it. However he doesn't need it everyday or every week for that matter. When our son did stay after, at that point, my husband/his dad picked him up at MM as he was out of work to do so. Our son also receives and has received out side tutoring from the same tutor who knows him and his style of learning for the last 4 years from Carmicle Society at Tufts University.
As far as driving, we are talking about 14-16 year olds as well as 17-19 year olds. So many do not have their license. And are you or your wife in a position to pick up your children from school? Great if you are, unfortunately, my husband and I are not. We are working at those times.
Mr. Meuse I take great offense to your comment that it seems like a bargaining chip!! I don't know you and you do not know me or my family. I can assure you it is not a bargaining chip. No one has ever suggested getting the children (cont)

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Patricia Flynn

11:34 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

No one has ever suggested getting the children out of the "school building as quickly as possible". I don't know why you came to that conclusion. We are talking about an hour after school ends.
And it is documented and a known fact that most of bullying and harassment occurs during unstructured times. Do you think researchers just sit around and make this stuff up??
I suspect your child (if you have any) has never been bullied. You have never had your child tell you he "wants to die" because he has been mentally, emotionally and physically hurt. Count your blessings.

Craig Dee

11:14 am on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

This article fails to mention cuts to Medford Public Schools have had to endure this school year including unfilled teaching positions. Considering that I think it's awfully selfish of these parents to complain about the bus coming 45 minutes later. If they want it so bad they should pay for it themselves or pressure the school they send their kids to to pay for it.

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Maria Fenn

12:03 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

I feel bad that some of the kids may be enduring a bullying situation. However, I fail to understand how it is up to Medford to take care of this issue. I believe that if bullying is going on then it is up to the Minuteman administration to help these kids and provide a safe environment. I get that in a perfect world all students everywhere would never be rained on, or walk in the dark, or through the snow. These parents wanted an alternative to MHS for their kids and they got it. I know of a lot of kids who wanted it and didn't get it. Unfortunately, like the charter schools, there are consessions. I see charter kids at 4 getting home from Malden. My kid is at the bus stop at 6:50 (20min difference) in the am. She also waited in the rain. She lived. Everyone has a budget, schools are no different than your household. Only so much money to spread around. If 14-18 year olds need to take a bus and maybe wait around a bit, I'm sorry, I would rather see that and keep a teacher or fix a pool that benefits the entire community.

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Patricia Flynn

11:40 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

So, let me see if I am hearing you right. Medford took the MM bus away from the Medford students to get some attention from the DOE (they are using the children as pawns, as a means to an end) and while waiting an hour for a bus that CAN be provided to pick them up, a child gets hurt or endures months of harassment. It's okay because his mother chose to send him there so he could receive the education that was offered to him and best suited him?????

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Patricia Flynn

11:41 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

We also drove some of our children to and from the Charter School for several years. We signed up for that, we knew what was expected of us. Parents of MM never in a million years thought the City of Medford would be using children in this manner.

val cap

12:32 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

THE CHARTER SCHOOL HAVE LONGER SCHOOL HOURS. PEOPLE KNOW THAT WHEN THEY SEND THEIR KIDS THERE. THESE POOR KIDS HAVE TO STAY AN EXTRA HOUR AFTER SCHOOL EVERYDAY EXCEPT WENSDAY. ITS JUST CRAZY. WOULD YOU PEOPLE LIKE TO BE IN SCHOOL ALL DAY AND THEN STAY AN EXTRA HOUR IF YOUR DON'T HAVE TOO. PEOPLE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. THESE KIDS ARE UP SO EARLY THEN STAY LATER AND GET HOME LATER. WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT A POOL THE CHILDRENS SAFETY IS MORE AN ISSUE. LIKE I SAID HOW ABOUT WHEN ITS DARK OUT. MARIA DOSE YOUR DAUGHTER GET HOME AT 4:45 OR 5:00 THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE POOR KIDS AT THE LAST BUS STOP. UNREAL.

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Lori Castagnetti

7:16 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

I say if you ppl are that concerned about safety than pick your dam kids up!!!!!!!!!!!!
My son walks home from the voke he isn't dead,bullied I'ts called walking!!!!!!!!!! I work unlike some ppl!!! It never killed me to walk to school when i was a kid.My husband and i also "PAY" for a bus pass and taxes to live in medford!!!!!

Maria Fenn

1:55 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Alot of people care about the pool. Not me in particular, but that shouldn't be the point. And it is not unsafe to be on a bus. And my daughter only gets home that late from doing afterschool activities, you're right, if she did nothing but go for the 6 hours of school she would be home at 2:45. But, like I said, there is an entire school system to be budgeted, with many, many childrens needs to be considered. Why aren't some of you angry at Minuteman for backing out/ not providing the service? And I still don't see any "safety" issues.

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Maria Fenn

2:27 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

I also think that perhaps some of you decided on Minuteman because of certain things that Medford can't offer to any of the 4,854 students at the high school. Like: 37,890 per pupil spending, (MHS is 15,417) 7:1 student teacher ratio (MHS 14:1) The drop out rate is the same at 2%. A lot of kids would love these ratios and aren't going to get them. I think that having to wait a little for a bus in the afternoon is not really asking to much. All info provided can be found on education.com. And if there is info elsewhere to disput this I would love to have the site. Its not ever that I don't think a parent should try their very best to do whatever they can for their child, but there comes a point when the welfare of other peoples children also needs to be considered.

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Patricia Flynn

11:57 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

I think the number 4,854 refers to students in Medford's district. Also, the figures you mentioned above differ from the DOEs figures.

val cap

5:43 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

yes you are correct Maria I think a lot of people chose it because Medford voke dose not offer it. well I think it is a lot making the kids stay at school and hour later . I'm sure they really don't want to.These poor kids get home they are so tired between getting up early and coming home late makes for a very long day.

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kc

7:38 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Val, if your child really does not want to stay at school that extra hour and maybe get involved which will only help their resume then that is their choice. The Medford Public Schools are already allowing your student to go to Minuteman on our tab. Your student is already getting free transportation a luxury they would not get if they attended Medford Vocational High School or the traditional High School. Be thankful for what is being given to you. Like previously stated there are positions that cannot even be filled due to the budget and programs are constantly on the chopping block. Would it be nice if Medford wasn't putting out over a million dollars for a select group of children who choose Minuteman, YES but unfortunately we do not have that luxury. I do not think it is fair for the Minuteman parents to keep demanding the changes to the bus schedule so it better fits their convience when they are already getting so much to begin with. Please take a moment to consider what the extra costs mean for the schools, the schools that almost had to cut foreign language in the middle schools because the budget is so tight. Be fair...

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Patricia Flynn

12:08 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

You are correct, extra circular activities are wonderful not only on transcripts and resumes but hit helps with sportsmanship, social emotional levels etc. and many students participate. However, doing so everyday is counterproductive and not reasonable. Depending on where you live, Transportation is offered to students who live more than ?1.5 − 2 (not certain of distances) miles from the school.
Minuteman parents do not keep demanding changes to the bus schedule, they simply do not want their children used as pawns. And as far as the budget goes, never mind, just read below please

Rick

8:10 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

If you are that concerned about your child getting up early, getting home late then why don't you move to Lexington and pay taxes in that city for your child's education? You would do anything for your child wouldn't you?

Why should the taxpayer pay for a bus that goes out of the city just because you want to send you child to another cities school? I say move or pay for the bus yourself!!

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Patricia Flynn

11:05 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Rick, I cannot afford Lexington. Too bad, because it is the 5th best public school in the state. Also, we pay taxes as well and the city offers to send it's residents to Minuteman.
I would do what I could and will do what I can for my children, as I am sure you would. Perfect example, this.
FYI, Medford pays for many, many buses that go to other cities. Regular buses that go to different vocational schools. Some "short buses" that transport special education students cost the city $18,000 to transport a small number of students per bus. What about those situations? Should all of those people move or pay for the bus themselves?

Patricia Flynn

8:51 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

The story above would have you believe that the Superintendent's reasoning for eliminating the Medford children's transportation to Minuteman was to in an effort to eliminate $$$$ from this years budget. That is not true. While Mr. Belson's plan IS fiscally motivated and his ultimate goal is to save $$$$, it was not to save $40-60,000 that he speaks of. Mr. Belson's goal is to increase the % of reimbursement that the City of Medford receives from the DOE/DESE. Let me explain a bit. Minuteman receives transportation reimbursements at 57.59% while out of district vocational towns/cities such as Medford, receives only a fraction of that, at 12+%. Medford Residents who send their children to Minuteman AGREE with Mr. Belson, that is unfair. Why should Minuteman receive almost 60% and Medford only 12%? I don't have the answer, but i have inquired in an email to the DOE/DESE. Mr. Belson and some of the school committee members are also angry that Minuteman will not help cover the costs of transporting Medford's students and has raised their tuition. We can understand that as well. The Minuteman parents are not at all happy with these decisions. However, we, Medford residents and parents, did not cause this problem but our children are being used as pawns and "tools" as Mr. Scarpelli elaborated to, at last evening's School Committee meeting. If you doubt any of what is being said here, than you need only to read all School Committee and City Council Minutes and articles

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Patricia Flynn

9:17 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

regarding this topic. The children were offered this placement by Medford. It is an option that all Medford children have. Minuteman parents chose Minuteman for a variety of reasons, the honors programs that it offers, the Special Education Programs, a particular vocation that Medford doesn't offer, to name a few. The Minuteman parents didn't demand that their children attend Minuteman, it was an opportunity offered by the City of Medford. Do you think it right, that now, Mr. Belson has CHOSEN to use these children as negotiation pieces?? He was quoted in various articles and has told many on several occasions "that it is time for the DOE to take notice...........So, here we are, Mr. Belson and the school committee can now get angry, and because the Minuteman population from Medford is a small percentage of Medford students, can create many, many problems for this one group of students to: a) make a point b) to draw attention from the DOE c) detour more Medford residents from sending their children to Minuteman d) to solicit objections from Medford residents in hopes that Minuteman will cost share.
While this tactic may in fact be affective to some degree; it seems to be drawing a lot of attention, is it fair for it's representatives to be doing this to it's own community? Your representatives are doing these things to this particular group, what happens when it's your turn and your children suffer?? At what cost is it okay to do this? Everything has a price. (con't below)

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Jarret Bencks

9:37 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Patricia - I disagree with your suggestion that the article is at all misleading or untrue. I point to this section:

On Monday, he admitted those initial plans were partly made in an effort to bring attention to what he views as issues with funding for the school.

"We needed something to get people to be really interested in what was going on," Belson said.

Medford Public Schools pick up a portion of the tuition cost for Minuteman students who live in Medford. The district will pay over $1 million to the public regional school this year, with the cost per pupil going up $3,800 from last year, Belson said.

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Patricia Flynn

10:57 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Mr. Bencks, I am referring to the comment in the second paragraph: Medford Public Schools used to provide a bus exculsively for transportation to and from Minuteman, but that stopped this year in a "cost-cutting move".
I interpreted that sentence to mean that Mr. Belson was eliminating the bus to save the city $$$. Now as I re-read it, I think I was wrong. My apologies Mr. Bencks.

Patricia Flynn

10:05 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

I assume you are aware that there are other vocational schools out of district that Medford students attend. Those children do not have to wait an hour for a bus to go home everyday. Now lets say you choose the McGlynn Middle School over the Andrews and all of a sudden for what ever reason, the parents are now told your child will have to wait an hour for his or her bus to go home everyday. You are unable to pick up your child or have anyone else pick them up and it is miles from your home. They tell you that it is too bad because you chose this school. What then?? Not the same situation, however similar.

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Patricia Flynn

10:20 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Mr. Belson stated that the monies spent at Minuteman could be better used on the Voke. That is not true!!! Medford has no intention of improving the Medford Voke. Otherwise Medford would not be obtaining a loan and spending 2 million dollars on fixing a pool, especially when the country is in economical crisis. Are these monies not better spent on improvements in the Voke and MHS. The Voke representatives have been asking for new equipment for sometime. I read somewhere that one of the teachers stated he/she was using equipment from the 1970's that was not effective. The Voke curriculum, it's shops and vocations need updating. Ask your Medford City Councilors, many of them have expressed this as recent as 3 weeks ago etc. If the Superintendent is interested in providing it's children with a good education then why is education not a priority? So, The Medford residents who have chosen what they deem to be a better suited education for their children, should instead send their children to the Voke and wait for the City of Medford to improve the curriculum, provide more services, newer equipment? There's a though? Does that sound in anyway reasonable? Have you asked yourself why our community is not more interested in education and making the necessary improvements so that Medford residents don't feel the need to send their children out of district? Don't you think they would like their children to stay in the community they chose to raise them in???

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Patricia Flynn

10:34 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

On to the problem at hand. It is a documented and known fact that most of bullying occurs during unstructured times. Why is Medford putting it's children in a situation where they are vulnerable to bullying? It is also well documented that children are more likely to engage in risky behaviors. What do you think the chances are that there is not going to be serious problems where there are an additional 55 children who are bored and angry because they are put in this situation and in an area with very limited supervision. Minuteman has said they will do what they can and they are ultimately responsible. However, the situation that they are in is avoidable. How are you going to feel when a child is physically hurt or has been emotionally bullied and the outcome is devastating. It has happened, read the papers, look at the research, listen to the children that have been bullied. Do you really want to put those kids in a situation where it's likely to happen? Would it have been worth it? or is there another way to get the attention of the DOE?

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Patricia Flynn

10:40 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Lori Castagnetti, I don't know what your problem is but I too work. Not sure if you are insinuating that MM parents don't work or your angry at others that don't work. Unfortunately my husband and I are unable to pick up our son because we do work. And for the record, we paid for bus passes for our other children who attended Medford High School and one of our son's walked home on a regular basis for the exercise. And I think suggesting that our children to walk 20 miles is excessive.

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Patricia Flynn

10:48 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

We also sent our children to one of the Charter Schools years ago and we drove them to and from school. Buses were not offered and we understood that when we made the decision to do so. We left the Charter School after 3 years when we found that overtime the curriculum was not challenging enough in certain areas for our children. Our older children were re-enrolled in Medford Public Schools and graduated from MHS. One of our children graduated from Minuteman.

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Lisa Barone

11:05 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012

I think they will survive the two hours a week! At 12 I was babysitting everyone in the neighborhood. Let your kids grow up! They will figure it out. Otherwise car pool twice a week with someone .. It is what it is so work it out

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Patricia Flynn

12:09 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

It's not two hours a week. And some of our children are grown.

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Dun

11:46 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

The Mayor and the school committee along with Minuteman need to get on the ball and get this situation under control. We are paying their salaries to solve this problem. If you want parents to get involed and bring this to the state level. Then direct us in how to do so

Dun

11:49 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

If you listen to Belson it sounds like the money is there. The children are being used because he want the parents to take this all the way to the state level. I understand he needs money. I have an grade school child and the school has sent home a list of supplies needs. REALLY?? I pay taxes, why aren't these things supplied.

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val cap

1:38 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

I agree with Patty and Dun 100 percent. also I though at the meeting on Monday one of the school committe members said we do have the funds we should use them. I could have heard wrong so don't quote me on this. These children really need to be home at a decent time. the last stop children don't get home until 4:30 the another 20 mins or so to walk home it will be about 5:00.

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Patricia Flynn

2:32 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

You did hear right. It was reported by Ms. DeBenadetto

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val cap

5:49 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

I tho
ujgh so. so then why are they saying they have no funds. Hopefully this bus will get back to 2:30 soon.

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Jess Wonderin

6:57 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Good Heavens! Our students are exposed to potential drugs, potential bullying and potential other unenumerated dangers on the bucolic suburban woodland campus of the glorious Minuteman! Why did you expose your child to these dangers and the possibility of EEE & West Nile too? Surely a responsible parent would spare his child the perils of such a dangerous environment! Oh wait, taxpayers pick up the tab & a parent can "bully" the Superintendent & the School Committee into diverting MORE funding towards 51 students & their imperiled transit needs? Awright! Why don't you all simply insist on taxi vouchers for every MM student? The "ordinary" MHS/MVTHS students seem to make do without any special transportation coddling; they'll get along fine without THAT funding too! Maybe if we put the $Million plus back into our community, then the "ordinary" Voke might have a chance to come up to your noble MM expectations.

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Patricia Flynn

8:47 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Mr. Wonderin, Have you read one sentence??? Do you even comprehend why the Superintendent and the School Committee are doing this???
Minuteman is no less safer than Medford High. If 55 children were forced to wait 1 hour a day, everyday for the school year, you are bound to have trouble.
And as I am sure you are aware, Medford has NO intention on repairing or improving the Voke. If they did they would have done it sometime ago and certainly before they spent 2 million dollars on a pool.
Why are you so angry? To bring EEE & West Nile into this conversation is just bizarre. You mean to tell me, you have no problem with the city using our children as pawns? and the fact that our children are more likely to get bullied at this time? Do you have children? Where do they go to school? Are they successful? Do you try to protect them?

Monique

7:43 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Chapter 74 State Laws are clear. Citizens should look these laws up before writing some of these comments. Who pays for anyone getting educated in Medford? Yes, I do, we all do. Some people never have children and have to pay for education. No citizen should give up rights due to city, state or federal law. Belson and school comittee should fight at the state house, not use this one bus for political leverage.

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Monique

7:46 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Also, since Belson saved approximately $30,000 on this one bus route, why wasn't it reinvested in the Medford Vocational? It wasn't. The vocational budget covers teacher and staff salaries only, and $500. for yearly supplies. There is not an extra dime for anything else.

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Patricia Flynn

8:50 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

It's amazing Monique that people are ignoring the facts and condemning parents who are trying to protect their children. Parents that are very involved with most aspects of Medford. I grew up here. My husband grew up here. I was president of the PTO at one point. I work in the community. I am quite surprised at some of the responses we are receiving.

Monique

7:50 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Belson and school comittee gave $2 million for the pool, which many citizens of Medford will never use. Now, they are looking for $5 million dollars to update the science labs? I thought they were making cuts??? Not to mention the $1 million for the soccer/lacrosse fields, that who is going to use? Yes, Medford High students that play soccer or lacrosse. Taxes are a bigger picture than who is paying for a Chapter 74 Bus. The law is clear, Belson is 100% responsible.

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Rich Cormio

9:34 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

i have read these comments with special interest. I am not only a 1975 graduate of the vocational school, I am now a teacher here. I have read many comments about how our school is run, yet I have seen very few city officials stop by and witness what we are accomlishing in our school. How many of our graduates are in the work force, wiring your homes, building your decks, repairing your cars? The answer is many. We have a combination of modern and older equipment, we teach the students to "make things happen' with what they have to work with. JUst like they have to do in the real world.
Please stop confusing the issues. The new fields bring revenue to our city, they are used every night. I know because the lights shine brightly in my neighborhood, the pool will become a revenue provider also.

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butch pierce

9:42 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

butch pierce
9:36 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
just to trying to correct the mis-information
FY2013 Budget Information 2012-2013
On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 the Medford School Committee unanimously passed a $47,483,000 budget for fiscal year 2013, which corresponds with the 2012-2013 school year.

Important programs and positions that were potentially going to be cut or reduced were restored, including kindergarten aides, an assistant principal position, a vocational teacher, math and science textbooks, middle school foreign language, freshmen sports, student activities, and maintenance.
this is 2,417,000 million more than last year budget of 44,900,000 for fiscal year 2011 and 4,117,000 million over fiscal year budget of 2010.
so as far as programs being slashed and money being tight there is a big spin going on by the politicians , the complete budget is on line and almost every dept of every school has got increases.
like i said before this isn't about budget cuts and not having the funds. It's about the superintendent using this as a tool to make it diffucult for students to leave the city, instead of improving the vo-tech, he tries to find ways to block students from leaving.
if we improved the vo-tech and made it the pride ship of the city we would be attracting students from other towns and would be making a profit the same way minuteman is.

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Rich Cormio

9:43 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

I appologize but I have one last comment. Since the Medford students are being bullied, then MM is not providing a safe haven for them and they are out of compliance with state and federal laws. As a concerned parent, you should be questioning them as to why this is allowed to continue. Ask to see their bullying policy, then, stop by my room, V201, and I will show you ours, perhaps this will provide you with the information that you will need to correct this travesty.

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Patricia Flynn

11:28 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Mr. Cormio, I don't understand why you are taking what I say out of context. Please show me where I have provided situations where the bullying has occurred. This is absurd. You are a teacher for god sake. You know bullying goes on in every school. Are you trying to tell me, it doesn't go on in the voke? It is a known fact that most occurrences of bullying happen during unstructured times. Why are you acting this way?

Patricia Flynn

9:55 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Mr. Cormio,
I am confused, where have you read that your vocational school was "run" poorly. I, City Councilors and many others have said the Voke needs improving, updating, new equipment in some areas and the curriculum enhanced to meet the ongoing changes and restructuring of the workforce.
Are you telling me, the city, it's representatives, the Superintendent, the students, the parents that what I have said is untrue??? That the above is not true?? And if you are offended, I am sorry that you feel this way. I am unaware of how anything I have said or done would have caused this. I will stop advocating for the improvements of the vocational school since they are not warranted. May I ask where your children went to school?

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Patricia Flynn

9:56 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

And as far as the 2 million dollars being spent on the pool goes, I guess I was wrong and the Voke or Medford's educational system as a whole does not need that money.

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Rich Cormio

10:56 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Hello, Ms Flynn, I never said poorly, I was responding to this direct quote in one of your posts:"The Voke representatives have been asking for new equipment for sometime. I read somewhere that one of the teachers stated he/she was using equipment from the 1970's that was not effective. The Voke curriculum, it's shops and vocations need updating. Ask your Medford City Councilors, many of them have expressed this as recent as 3 weeks ago etc."
I invite you to attend our open house on Wednesday November 14. I will be happy to discuss this further at that time.
I wish that more parents had your passion for education.
I will not be posting further comments, I will enjoy reading all of yours. You now know where I am and anyone is welcomed to visit our school at any time.
thank you.

Concerned Citizen

10:47 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

The sense of entitlement here is unbelievable. Some of you cannot pick up your kids after school at the school for a Dr appt or a CCD class? You cannot tell your kid to stay and do their homework? Is this so they can get home and play their videogames - because that's what most kids do between the time they get home and you do. If not does no one carpool anymore? When I was a kid we walked to the library to do our homework and socialize. This is how it could be - join a club, or make a school club, do a sport or do your homework. It looks great on a college resume - so then they can take the bus to Harvard or MIT.

And bullying - the only way to deal with it is to deal with it - not run home on the bus. Minuteman needs to get on that immediately. Lexington should not be allowed to be like S Hadley. Your kid goes there then YOU need to be involved at the school, at the PTO, at the School Commitee, in the minuteman office until they are safe and after as is the role of a good parent.

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Patricia Flynn

11:10 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Concerned Citizen, Not even going to bother responding to you.

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butch pierce

11:16 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Patty, notice Jess Wonderin, and concerned citizen will not even use real name .hmmmm?

butch pierce

11:11 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

the below link shows the difference in monies between the 2 school discricts and how much money is spent to charter schools , private schools and out of district schools. just found this interested i assume the payment to other schools of $​1,​395,​000. is the aggie school and minuteman/ other ?

http://public-school-districts.findthedata.org/compare/5748-5759/Medford-vs-Minuteman-Regional-Vocational-Technical

PAYMENTS
Payments to Charter Schools $​3,​512,​000

Payments to Other School Systems $​1,​395,​000
Payments to Private Schools $​2,​566,​000

Total Capital Outlay Expenditures $​1,​934,​000

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r drobneck

10:21 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012

as a footnote to mr. pierce's link: the medford figures are for the entire 9 school district while the minuteman figures reflect the only school in the minuteman district, minuteman tech. if you do a little division, you can see how wealthy the minuteman "district" is compared to medford as a district.

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Patricia Flynn

2:42 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

r drobneck - I am surprised as to where Medford is spending their monies. Meaning 2 million on a pool and very, very little to improve it's vocational school.

Concerned Citizen

11:17 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

I can't believe how a former PTO pres would attack a comment from a teacher that is saying something good about his school and then she threatens with pulling advacacy.

Did you not see that he asked that the issues not be confused.

God forbid a teacher say something or have any pride in their place of employment and the great kids and accomplishments despite limited resources..

Really - is that what a former PTO pres does?

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Patricia Flynn

2:47 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

Concerned Citizen: I am not attacking a teacher. I am simply commenting responsibly to the comments they are directed to me. I don't know if you have read all of the posts or reflected on your own posts, if you did you would see my character IS being attacked by certain people. Our positions are different, not a problem, but when you attack a person is it not only hurtful but distracts from the problem at hand.
With all do respect, I do not believe I am confusing the issues. Perhaps I have over looked this, so please do enlighten me Mr. Concerned Citizen and Mr. Cormio.
Why are you hiding?

butch pierce

11:21 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

point being millions are leaving. but just 51 students being targetted.

we as a community, provide services for all are members. Thats what makes us a Strong civil communitee. When people try to devide groups thats when we are no longer a Strong or civil community.

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Patricia Flynn

2:49 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

Butch, It doesn't sound much like a community when people are being attacked and parenting skills put in question especially when these comments are unwarranted.

Kay Bee

11:23 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

I think they should start looking at our own vocational school, it is a disgrace, invest money and update the programs, see what other Voc's are offering and look to be competitive. There are so many different programs being offered outside of Medford. You would think this is what our useless Superintendent should be doing. We are behind the times, no wonder the kids who want to learn a trade have to go somewhere else! INVEST IN OUR CITY AND SCHOOLS AND GIVE KIDS SOMETHING TO STAY HERE FOR!!

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Lcs

11:38 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

To ms Flynn you should be thankful of the education your child is getting through the city of Medford at $15,000 a year. You're complaining about a high school students being unsupervised yet you say you work so Would the child be supervised if he got home an hour earlier there is no problem with the child staying after school for further education especially child on an IEP they can always use the extra help if they are being bullied maybe they should go join a social group or sports you are complaining about highschooler's walking home bullying and being in the dark if you want them home so fast Either pick them up or try to find a ride by another parent another student or there is a T bus stop right at the end of Minuteman's driveway this is ridiculous. Theese kids need to learn to be self sufficient in life not babied If you sent your child to a private high school you would have to get them there yourself other cities have not had busses in years and the MHS students busses are so crowded it is scary so just be grateful stop sending out 10 page letters as a parent of a minuteman student and a elementary who takes a bus and walks home every day also be thankful they gave us the bus!!!

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Patricia Flynn

11:48 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Maybe you should read some of the 10 pages I wrote. You might learn something.
Then, perhaps use your real name.

Patricia Flynn

11:47 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Maybe you should read some of the 10 pages I wrote. You might learn something.
Then, perhaps use your real name.

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Patricia Flynn

11:55 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012

One more thing. A question for the Medford Patch. Why do people on this website continuously attack others? There are stories about this on other sites and I nor have others been attacked in such a manner. Very sad.

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Gearoidin Ni Bhrian

8:36 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012

We should all just "WAIT" for the next meeting that is supposed to be held with the Council, The Mayor, Mr. Belson, Minuteman and especially us Minuteman Parents/Students... All we want is a "Public Meeting" of all the above mentioned ASAP!
Hold all thoughts until we are notified about a date for this meeting.
A lot of comments are being misunderstood - We as parents want the best for each of our children when it comes to travelling to and from school in a safe manner!!!!

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r drobneck

11:53 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012

As a colleague of Mr Cormio and a MVTHS teacher, I've followed this discussion with interest. The larger issue here, separate and apart from the busing concern, is the circular circumstance surrounding the Vocational school, the perceptions and the realities. Parents send their children out of district to other schools for a variety of reasons. These children take with them funding from the sending school's budget, not some mystical, ethereal money pot. Every child going to Minuteman takes roughly $18,000 away from the Voc budget plus roughly another $5000 if the child has an IEP. Kay Bee, in this thread, pronounced my school, of which I am very proud and for whom I work very hard, "a disgrace." Other contributors to other threads regarding other MVTHS vs MM issues have done the same. Parents who read or hear such comments may simply accept them as gospel without further investigation. These same parents, basing their decision upon hearsay, might then send their children out of district and taking with them more funding. And so the cycle continues and MVTHS remains perpetually underfunded and undersubscribed.

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Patricia Flynn

3:09 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

r drobneck - The monies that are used to pay for Minuteman students DO NOT come from the monies that would have gone to the Voke. The School Budget is city wide. Why are you not angry and complaining that the city is spending over 2 million dollars on a pool and other costly projects that are taking funds away from enhancing education directly. I will tell you why, because there are more parents/students etc. that want and use these facilities. Doesn't make it right and it is unpopular to go against the majority and easier to go with. I understand that EVENTUALLY these projects will create some revenue for the city, however, I ask, how long will it take before we being to recoup these funds?
And I never wrote that MVTHS was a disgrace, ever. I simply stated facts. I did explore the curriculum and visited the MVTHS as well as several other schools. I have been advocating that monies should be spent to improve the MVTHS. If you disagree that it needs improvements, than say you disagree. If I were you I would be angry at the Superintendent and School Committee for voting 2 million dollars away from the education of Medford. All that does is PUSH it's residents/children/students to seek out of district placements so they can gain the education and vocation they deserve. If the MVTHS is a good choice for some that is great. It wasn't a good choice for my son.

r drobneck

12:07 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

The perception that MVTHS is "a disgrace" or horrible or dangerous goes largely unsubstantiated and thus the perception becomes "reality." Perhaps Kay Bee will explain what "a disgrace" means and how this conclusion was reached. Here are some MVTHS realities: our MCAS rate compares favorably among all vocational schools. Our students freely and regularly contribute to their community through public works, community outreach, and charitable endeavors. Our students regularly participate in sport across its spectrum and become varsity stars and captains. Their faculty are coaches. Our students regularly matriculate to 2 & 4 year programs. Our student to teacher ratio at MVTHS is about 8.4 to 1; Minuteman's is 7.4 to 1. Considering the funding disparity, MVTHS holds its own. As Mr. Cormio said of our work ethic, we do what we have to with what we're given. I am proud to work hard for the community of Medford through its Vocational School and I am proud of our graduates. I certainly hope more of the community pays MVTHS a visit during our upcoming Open Houses, I'd welcome the opportunity to speak with you. Perhaps we can convince you keep your children and your taxes in our community.

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Patricia Flynn

3:21 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

r dbrobneck - I am glad to hear you are proud of your school, your students, your community. I am confused as to why you think, that I think otherwise. The fact that my child is attending another vocational school has nothing to do with the teachers at the MVTHS. I grew up in Medford. I too am a graduate of MHS, 2 of my children graduated MHS and are currently in law school and college, respectively. MHS was a good choice for those two particular children. MHS nor the MVTHS was not a good fit for two of our other children. I work in the Medford Community, support the businesses and am actively involved.
I too, hope and believe the parents of upcoming high schoolers should pay MVTHS a visit. It may in-fact be a good fit for their children. I also hope that your school is provided with the funds it and Medford students deserves, as to compete with other vocational schools. To tell you the truth, there really is no need to have a conversation, as I have said I have already visited and spoken to many at the MVTHS and it is not a good fit for our student, but I thank you for the opportunity.

Rich Cormio

9:24 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

I am coming out of "hiding" to clarify a statement that I wrote last night. We at the voke enjoy a tremendous working relationship with the Mayor, school committee, and city council. Our students provide many cost-saving services to the city, and are always recognized for their hard work. Members of the school committee have visited our open house in the past, and we look forward to seeing them on Wednesday evening, November 14.
OK, I'm going back to my hiding space at 489 Winthrop Street, room V201 where I work every day from 7:15am-3pm. My door is always open, unless I'm out of the room, at which time I can be paged.
This IS my final post. Thank you for reading.

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r drobneck

11:55 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012

ms flynn: regarding the "a disgrace" quote, if you reread my first post I attributed that quote to Kay Bee directly and to other contributors to previous threads attached to previous busing articles, not you. If you like, i'd be happy to comb through previous articles to find similar comments posted by other respondents. Next, I am pleased that the Mayor & City Council are implementing the pool renovation project. My recollection of the pool is one of widespread community use. Our students utilized the pool as part of Health & Wellness class; the Swim team had its own facility. The team didn't have to be bussed around at the crack of dawn to practice. The Community School program scheduled community access to the pool on a sensible basis over and above renting it out as a revenue source. In fact, when Senior Citizens Swim was a regular feature, those same seniors came over to the Voke to participate in Shop projects. As many as 40 Seniors would get out of the pool, go to the Cosmotology shop for services as practiced by Voke students, then go to Cafe Electra thereafter for a student run luncheon experience. Some even had auto repair work performed by Auto tech. The promise of Vocational education was shared and realized by another facet of the Medford community. So, no, I am not angry over the proposed bond issue to renovate this valuable community resource, I welcome it. I wish your son success in his chosen trade area and hope that he enjoys his experience at Minuteman

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r drobneck

12:44 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012

Cafe Electra will re-open for this school year as soon as we get this year's students acclimated. Supt. Belson has never closed Cafe Electra.

Patricia Flynn

7:11 am on Friday, September 14, 2012

My sister and I grew up in that pool and i still rember Mr. Lennon (the gentleman who ran it) and the swim instructors who provided the swim, diving and life saving courses with great fondness. I went on to become a swim instructor at a summer camp.y children took swimming lessons there until it closed. Then they took them at Tufts, Arlington, and Reading Boys and Girls Club, Lynfield and Malden YMCA. We understood that the pool could not be repaired because of the huge cost during those times. We would love to see the pool repaired for our granddaughter who will be taking swimming lessons as well in 1 month. The point being, Theesfoes Voke needs the funds more. We. An send our children to our city a
And possibly take on other atudenta from different cities thus receiving revenues/tuitions from those cities. Are you telling me you disagree?

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Patricia Flynn

2:21 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012

This is addressed to Lcs. Pls forward your name and or send me a private email with your contact info so I can have it removed.

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ann

6:06 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

WOW Let it go. The biggest problem with the bus schedule is that no one was informed the bus was being cut until the end of August with school a week away. It does not give parentsor students advanced warning. Then we were told the students were getting T passes. Other students applications were denied because Medford decided they were not allowing students who chose two particular areas of interest were being moved to Roxbury and Cambridge. This was all done a week before school was starting, unfair!!! It is the right of every family to chose the best education for their children. Stop the insults and bullying. Everbody is allowed their opinion whether is be MHS Minuteman Charter School, etc. The whole situation was hush hush with no communication to parents. It is a concern because of the way it done by Mr. Belson. It was sneaky. Now it is still up in the air about the schedule. The students just want to get to and from school in a timely manner. So if you have negative comments about the children going to Minuteman too bad. It is an option and if you chose it great, and if you don't fine. Be polite.

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Patricia Flynn

9:33 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

Thank you, I don't understand why some people are being so "mean". I showed a few friends, colleges and family members and they were very surprised at some of the comments and criticism.

MO

6:51 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012

When the safe and timely transportation to and from school for each and every child in this city isn’t a top priority of the administration, then it’s time for a new administration.

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