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TELL US: Who Won the Senate Debate?

Share your thoughts on Monday's debate.

 

Sen. Scott Brown and Democratic challenger Elizabeth Warren faced off in their second debate Monday night at the Tsongas Arena in Lowell.

Brown touted his bipartisan record and attacked Warren on claims of Native American ancestry and legal work for corporations, painting her as an out-of-touch opportunist.

Warren cited her advocacy for the working class and attacked Brown for his votes against jobs bills, casting him as a politician for the wealthy and corporate interests.

The Boston Herald has the complete video of the debate.

Both candidates got their share of applause from the audience. But we want to know what you think.

Who would you say won? Did either candidate sway you in either direction? Were your questions answered? Discuss in the comments below.

Related Topics: Elizabeth Warren, Massachusetts Senate Race, Scott Brown, election 2012, and participate 2012

Bruce

7:12 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

I think that Scott Brown was far better prepared and performed much better than he did in the first debate. He put Elizabeth Warren on the defensive for a majority of the debate. I'd have to give him the edge, even though he bungled the Supreme Court justice question (and was non-committal on Bobby V).

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Susan

8:28 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Scott Brown showed his true colors last night when he said his favorite Supreme Court justice is Antonin Scalia. Scalia is the most conservative justice, with a voting record against women's reproductive rights, civil rights, campaign finance laws, affirmative action, gun control, and on and on.

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Karl Weld

9:17 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

I think what you meant to say is that Scalia doesn't interpret the Constitution, but actually upholds its provisions and limitations on what the Federal government is allowed to do. That he is a believer that many of the issues brought before the Court should be left to the states because there is nothing in the Constitution that allows the amount of Federal encroachment that previous era Courts read into in that blessed document. Last time I checked there was no "Second Bill of Rights" (as FDR so famously advocated for, and HIS Court Jesters, I mean Justices upheld as law) amended to the Constitution. Rolling back that judicial overreach is not only necessary, it is Constitutional. You know, the foundation on which this country was built. If you truly believe that these policies should be enshrined in our Founding document, there's a process available to you and other advocates of your positions. It's called the Amendment process, and unlike your policy preferences, it's actually written into the Constitution.

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Resident

10:02 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

You mean that she does not believe in killing babies, legal discrimination and restricting lawful gun owners while doing nothing to stop illegal gun owners!

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A Taker

10:28 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Resident - Scalia is not a woman.

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P.P. Longstocking

4:44 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Karl Weld: Scalia is the biggest ideologue (literally) on the bench. If you don't believe that then I suggest you look up a little case called Bush v. Gore.

Craig Foster

8:31 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Nobody won and the voters of Massachusetts lost, when is the media actually going to start talking about the real issues that we the voters care about. Most of don't care about Elizabeth's heritage, so stop making it the first question of every debate. What most voters care about is where does each candidate stand on major issues such as taxes, the debt, the economy. For the sake of the voters please start asking real questions about the issues.

Just to add if you said pick one person and tell me who one, I would say Warren and the only reason is Scott Brown killed his bipartisan argument with the Supreme Court question.

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Heather

8:55 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Lying about one's heritage for personal advancement, shows a serious character flaw. No, i don't care about Elizabeth's heritage but I do care that she may be deceptive.

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Ron

9:35 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

If you read between the lines on Liz Warren's comments I think it pretty clear that Liz doesn't know how to reduce the dept without raising taxes and from her attacks on Brown's Jobs vote, she doesn't care if it's at the hands of small business owners or workers. Taxing corporations won't do it, they will just pass the cost on to the consumer. She complains about how millionairs are successful, their tax rates and makes the concious effort not to pay more herself.

Now people are investigating her practicing law without a license in MA. She has a Cambridge Business Address but isn't licensed in MA? She did something in NJ on 9/11/12. Can she talk to why that happened?

From all accounts it appears that she consideres herself an above the law fraud. She may be Native American. Why did she use that option when she applied at Penn State (?) and Harvard Law? For who's benefit? Was it hers, what she told to by the Univeristies? Did the Universities qualify federal grants for hiring minorities? Why did she remove the title after?

It may not be her fault, she was hand picked by the "Chosen One" to win back the "D" Senate seat and to vote "D".

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A Taker

9:35 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

NOBODY cares about Warren's heritage, but EVERYBODY should care about her integrity and character. That she used her (alleged) heritage to secure a plum position, then denied doing so, and continues to try to hide that she did so, shows that her integrity is questionable.

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Kathleen Brothers

10:46 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Craig, how about when Warren couldn't name any Rebulican Senator that she would be able to work with in the Senate?

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Melissa

12:16 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

I agree with you, Craig. "...Scott Brown killed his bipartisan argument with the Supreme Court question."

Heather, et al: why do you assume Elizabeth was *purposely* lying about her herritage? My Grandpa's half brother was so obviously Indian, his nickname was "Chief". But Chief & Grandpa's mother married many times and I knew they had different fathers so I never imagined I had any Indian blood myself. I grew up knowing their mother as a blue-eyed gray haired "Grandma McAnally". Decades later I discovered she was actually 1/4 Cherokee and 1/4 Dakota. McAnally was just the name of the last man she married (duh)! Had I known this when I was filling out college and scholarship apps, I would have checked those boxes too!

BTW, In the middle of this country (I'm from Missouri) most people have many different nationalities in their family trees. I can identify 8 nationalities in my four grandparents. My husband, whose family is from Brooklyn, can only identify 2 in his grandparents. In the east, immigrants often settled in areas with people from their homeland and stayed. Those that pioneered westward didn't have that herritage anchor. (Grandma McAnally was in the Oklahoma Land Rush). Add to that the fact that many women (both Indian and "white") were stolen, enslaved or raped by the "other side", ancestry lines get very blurry very fast.

The first time an easterner asked about my herritage I had no idea what they meant. I'm a Midwestern mutt!!

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Patricia

3:36 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Melissa and Craig care more about Brown's mention of Scalia but don't care that Warren can't name one person she could work with? Argggggh we need politicians that will not rubberstamp their party, something Warren would do since the party has foisted her upon us. Dont think she thought of running on her own. Please, for the sake of the country, lets elect those who will compromise and work across the aisle. Warren has basically said she won't.

Tom Gilroy

9:04 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Brown was the clear winner. Warren continued her lie about her Indian heritage and her high profile defense for LTV and Traveler's Insurance. Her SCOTUS choice of Kagan was expected, as was her Socislist positions on immigration, the war in Afghanistan and never seeing a tax proposal she did not support in spite of the 16 trillion dollar deficit. Brown was senatorial and Warren was typically Harvard professorial. Not a knock out, but a clear win for Brown.

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Judith Culver

9:20 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Neither scored a big win. Brown is looking more and more petty with his obsession about Warren's heritage - after all, every family has stories about their roots, even Brown. In Massachusetts, I find it hard to believe that this factoid about Warren even matters to voters.
Warren made points with clear answers to the moderator's questions. Alas , the questions were too limited in scope and rarely hit any of the issues before us - economy, education, foreign relations. Even the middle class escaped much mention by the debaters or moderator.

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Jules

10:41 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Judith I agree neither scored big.. but I disagree with your comments that Scott Brown looked petty with the questions about Warren's heritage. The moderator Davide Gregory asked the question- not Scott Brown. As other posters have stated here-- its about her been deceptive and not forthcoming, it all goes to her credibility and that matters to me.

Benny

9:28 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

After last night I need to get a Scott Brown sign on my lawn.

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Iron Mike

9:29 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Warren was there with full union backing [$11.oo/hour].

She scares me – she is a total believer in BIG GOVERNMENT – she launched a new left-wing buzz-word last night when she said that Massachusetts businesses 'need a good federal partner'.

I think we're only seeing the carefully revealed tip of her iceberg. I think she's a full-blown socialist – maybe even a communist. I can see her working with Maxine Waters to nationalize whole industries.

And of course these folks need victims. Last night [and on her new TV ads] Warren turned her Cherokee lies into 'Scott is attacking my mother'. Very sorry Lizzy, your mother should'a raised you not to tell lies.

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A Taker

10:26 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

$11 an hour to not work? Sounds pretty lucrative to me...

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Josh Chace

10:32 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Why should they get paid anything to "be" there? They weren't working. They weren't helping with operations. They were just attendees. They deserve no pay for just "being" there. Which is the whole problem with unions as a whole.

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Susan

1:45 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Please stop being so demeaning by calling her "Lizzie" as if her actual name is too dignified to use. It ruins your entire statement. People don't call him Scotty, because they believe he deserves respect. I believe that she does too.

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Bill Gilman

9:48 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

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Dick

9:52 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

I don't have any good feelings about either candidate. same-o,same-o tripe

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Iron Mike

10:08 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

@ Bill Gilman: That's what several of them told us. $11.oo/hour x 4 hours. Beats what Coakley was paying 2 years ago.

The SCARY part is how many of them don't know about our $16 Trillion Federal Debt.

It's why they're such an easily manipulated voting block – they don't pay attention to the news, they really don't care about politics, and they are readily swayed by union bosses. [They also don't know how badly their pension and retirement health plans have been looted. When they find out - they'll blame Bush again.]

It's not just the hardhats, - even the nurses there had no clue about how we'll pay back $16 Trillion. The very few who said anything believe Bush ran up the debt by himself.

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Jamison Tomasek

1:15 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Here's a comment I heard amongst the union crowd "How'd they managed to rope you into doing this?" Some real commitment there.

Tewksbury2001

10:25 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Brown won. Why would anyone vote for Warren? She will do exactly what Obama tells her to do. Just like the the rest of the Massachusetts Delegation. We need someone that is more independent.

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Michelle

10:59 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

I agree. Warren is nothing more than Obama's handpicked carpetbagger. She will do exactly as he tells her to do, like the good little Dem that she is. Talk about being in "lockstep".
We don't need more sheep in Washington.

Kathleen Brothers

10:44 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

In my opinion, it was a draw. Although, I think Scott Brown looked and spoke the roll of a statesman. I find that Ms. Warren says the same thing over and over again. I think that if you are a Democrat you will go with Warren and if you are Republican you will go with Brown. It is the Independant voter that will win or lose the election for these two. And that is what I like about Brown. He crosses over the aisle. I think if you didn't have anyone in mind before the debate, I hope you came away with someone. I find it astonishing that the union workers get paid to hold signs outside of a debate. I will be voting for Brown. She didn't sway my vote at all. And, by the way, I am an Independant voter....and I will stick with a home state candidate.

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T.

10:46 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

In my opinion... Scott Brown is a phony. His whispy voice and passive-aggressive demeanor seem to fool people into thinking that he is a nice guy. He is not a nice guy; rather, he is a maturing punk with an ego the size of Texas...a player. His performance last night was rude and condescending and only served to reveal the true man hiding behind a choir boy facade.

If Brown wants to practice what he preaches, he should be making his college financial records public, including how much he was paid for centerfolding his (not so big) ego. After all, he said that the only reason he posed was to help pay for college. (Yeah, right..)

And, as a combat veteran, I'd appreciate it if he would stop peddling his 32-year office career as a Guardsman like it makes him one of us. It does not. You can't be one of us if you're voting against bills in Congress that provide rightful benefits to soldiers.

Scott Brown is a consummate politician with a penchant for avoiding questions while marketing ragtime and bull*#@^.

T.

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Dan D.

11:10 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Wow, T, you must know the man very well?
Or, are you just making stuff up to support your pre-conceived notions? Any facts to back up your character assassination or voting record?

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quasimodo

12:19 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

To me, Scott Brown comes out as most insincere: a consummate, calculating, two-faced politician. I've watched him twice :under fire" and I did not like what I saw, especially yesterday. Warren is a genuine article, hopefully, she will not change when she gets to Washington.

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david mokal

9:16 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

ABSOLUTLY! I think he is a phony its written all over. Never trust a guy with his eyes close together like a baboon's. Who cares if Warren is an Indian anyway. Is that all Scott Brown can find? Im an Independent but its Warren For ME !

Jennifer Nagle

10:57 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Just curious.... why is she paying Union members $44 for the evening... I know a few unemployed residents who would jump on the chance just to make ends meet for the week. Nothing against union employees.... but, hell, if you are going to "pay" someone to "support" you, make a difference at the same time, would ya? One more thing... any idea how many union workers were there at $44 a head?

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Jennifer Nagle

11:14 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Oh, and to answer the question of who won the debate between Brown and Warren? Duh.... the union workers.... obviously. :D

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Iron Mike

11:39 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Can't answer to THIS occasion, but in general there has been a long-standing symbiotic relationship between unions and Democrats. It's where the term 'bought and paid for politician' comes from – unions collect dues, spend a goodly chunk of them to back friendly candidates.

It's one big reason why industry finally gave up the fight and moved out of Massachusetts. They couldn't get a fair hearing in the legislature – or before Democrat-appointed judges. Now they've set up shop in China.

Unions school their members on how to act at these gatherings, and punish them severely [beatings and no work] if they fail to show up – or screw up.

Gone4Now

11:53 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Elizabeth Warren is a Hypocrite and a Fraud

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Who Me?

11:58 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

First off...can someone explain how a Native American can be a minority? They are actually the only true natives in America being here long before the English ever set foot in what would become the United States.

So if it’s a minority of population then one must be absolutely certain one can “claim” minority status. Equal rights were established to protect those who truly need it, not vagabonds. It’s illegal to “claim” to be a Veteran of the Armed Forces, A Law Enforcement Officer and the like. Even if it’s not illegal to claim to be of Native American decent it’s unethical to do so.

My Father liked to speak of our ancestors from Quebec and Northern Maine. Would always tell me distant relatives married into the Mic Macs Tribe in Northern Maine. I love the story but without direct evidence, which I don’t have, it’s just a great story.

I have never claimed Native American Heritage, nor would I. Elizabeth Warren should have never claimed to be of Native American Heritage as she has zero proof of it. In fact several Genealogists have researched her “claim” and have unequivocally said “it’s not true”

If Scott Brown had made the same claim the Liberal shrills would be calling for his resignation.

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Edward W

12:09 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

She took a job from a deserving minority. Harvard took the easy way out--not checking her status even though they took credit for as a Native American. As staunch defenders of Affirmative Action, it is hard for Harvard to be honest in this case since it shows the big flaws in AA so they ignore requests for info.

Edward W

12:04 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Professor Warren had a solid but not Ivy League undergrad and law school experience. Then she posted her name in a directory. her reason--to meet people like herself. That sounds fishy because she had no history of taking part in tribal affairs before that or even having any Native American friends. Suddenly after listing herself as a Native American she gets a tenured position at Penn where they took credit for her ethnicity. She then jumped to Harvard where they took credit for her ethnicity. Then she removed herself from the directory. Nobody should believe that this wasn't done with purpose of getting a job that she couldn't get without the lie. Nobody is that naive. Her character, reflected in her decision to do this, disqualifies her. That is why it is important. And unfortunately for her, she can't answer it truthfully so it limgers. And she must have taken a DNA test( any sensible person would take a private test unless they already knew what it would show) that shows no Cherokee blood. Why couldn't the Dems come up with some one better than this?

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Big GUY

12:13 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Please do not take my response to be rude in anyway. I actually told this to a mother in law and she totally agreed wiht me. She was selected to run, simply because she is a women. That's the only reason why. The Dems thought that if they placed a women against an independant man that most women would vote for her, even if she did lie for advancement. Remember this, if any one of us common citizens that don't have political connections did what she did on a job or resume, we would be terminated as an at will employee. We would also lose to get unemployment benefits. Shame on the Dems for thinking the people of Massachusetts are plain stupid and wouldn't see through the red tape. Vote for Brown and we will all be better off. Give him more than two years.

Big GUY

12:04 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

I beg you all to vote for Brown. He showed last night why we need an independant in the in Congress. "Pigs at the trough were spending our hard earned money without thinking"Barney Frank and Marty "Big Salary" Meehan were in the front row. Enough said. If you want more of the same old cronies, then vote for Warren...... this state is messed up if Ms. Warren gets in. Hold on to your wallets and get a gun license and pray that someone saves us all. Don't we see how Califonia has done? I loved there and it is bad from the top down. The proof is in the pudding, Mass, will be right behind if we don't vote for Brown

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Susan

1:23 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Big GUY
YOu will sway no one in a forum like this... Its like going to a Yankees/Sox game and trying to turn a Yankees fan to a Sox fan. It just isn't going to happen.

Side note. read his actual voting record before you go touting his awesomeness. He has voted against the middle class time and time again to protect the upper 3%...
he says that he doesn't want to raise taxes on ANYONE... which is honest... and awesome... but unfortunately, he is willing to let the Bush tax cuts roll back ( taxes will go up for everyone ) if we don't protect the upper 3%.

just so you know.

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Bob

1:37 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Susan, the Republican's in the Senate held up last year and Obama and the Democrats extended the cuts (after BTW, hammering Bush for cutting taxes during a war). They will again and again because it is the right thing to do during a recession which we are heading back into. Brown was never an us versus them guy. He was/is a no raising taxes period guy. Warren, Frank, Obama et al are class warfare people who try to survive on hostility and envy.

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quasimodo

2:19 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Don't make me laugh. Brown is not an independent, but a genuine member of the Republican party, and as such he follows the marching orders set up my Mitch McConnell and Company Don't take my word for it, just look at his record: Brown's Senate record shows him voting with the majority of Republicans 95% of the time! Some independent :~)) This why I think he is a phoney.

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Bob

2:46 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Quasi, you are 100% wrong! He votes with Republican's about 67% of the time and is the second most bi-partisan Senator.

Nice try though. Are you really Harry Reid? Did you hear the 95% on the street?

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Edward W

5:05 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

We finally have someone in Congress who works for us and understands how to compromise and negotiate--someone we can be proud of and who is middle of the road. We need to send him back to lead the way for the country. Liz Warren will vote with Harry Reid 100% of the time--even when it is bad for Mass. Our whole contingent voted for Obamacare that contained a job killing tax on medical device makers. They should be ashamed for not getting that out of the bill before they voted. They were just doing what bovine like followers do--follow.

Kathleen Brothers

12:10 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Good comment, Big Guy. It is time that we all unite as one for the good of the country. Another four years of this administration will cripple us all. We have to think of the future of the children and grandchildren. Give your vote lots of thought before you vote...do the right thing.

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Big GUY

12:17 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Totally agreed. I never understood how someone or a party can make soooooo much money and be for the working class and poor people. It seems they all been lining their pockets over the years and eating from the trough while we hustle and shuttle or children around.

Who Me?

12:39 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Quasimodo, Scott Brown is insincere and two faced versus Warren who got caught claiming to be a minority and who made large profits working for a firm who specializes in denying benefits to Asbestos Victims...........ahhhhh... Okie Dokie....

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Steevo

12:43 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Bill Gilman, I'm curious... what do you think of the debate? And, who are you voting for?

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Bill Gilman

1:02 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

What did I think of the debate? I think too much of all debates now has very little to do with opening up and letting the voters get to know you, the candidate and you the person. It's all about "staying on message" and trying to "frame the debate" and "define your opponent". It's a microcosm of the overall campaign which is less about "Why you should vote for me" and more about "why you shouldnt vote for him or her." That saddens me and I find it insulting as a voter.
Who am I voting for? You know, two weeks ago I thought I knew. Now I'm officially undecided. No cop-out here. Just fact. As my profile states, I'm not enrolled in either major party, so I'm just biding my time and absorbing info.

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Steevo

1:11 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

I do appreciate your time but honestly I don't relate. I'm more conservative-minded and definitely not left-wing. Warren is left-wing and it's clear to me I would never vote for her and in this race (if I was still in Mass.) I would definitely vote Brown.

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Bill Gilman

1:17 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Fair enough Steevo. I've just been concerned with the tone of the campaign.

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Susan

1:37 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Yes,
Steevo you would, indeed, vote for Brown. Because Brown votes to protect the middle class. (insert snide snicker here)

I simply cannot forsee trickle-down working this time either. Since, it never has.
Warren may not be the best politician, but she had a GENUINE understanding of the financial issues facing the commonwealth and the country. Brown racked up a whopping 2.69 GPA with a C in Constitutional Law...
If we want to talk morality... lets discus the predatory loans he facilitated that he refuses to talk about... really, if warren wanted to go negative on his character, she would have plenty of fodder. Who knows, maybe it will come to that.

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Karl Weld

2:40 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Trickle down Susan? You do realize that since LBJ instituted his "War on Poverty" the US has spent over $16 trillion in aid to the poor. What has that done? We have more people on food stamps than ever before, and the poverty rate is higher than when the "war" started. (Poverty in America: obesity, cell phones and flat screen tvs, not real deprivation.) So we should soak "the rich" and send more money to DC so they can fix the problem? They haven't fixed it in over 45 years. What makes you think the likes of Liz Warren will do any better? Why do Liberals constantly think that the government spending more of the productive class' money on problems the government creates is progress? If our elites (like Warren) who run this country are so smart, how come we're broke? Our debt now equals the entire economic output of this country for one year. Every single dollar spent on goods and services in this nation in one calendar year will barely cover our debt. But by all means, lets spend more money that we don't have. We need to raise $16 trillion just to get back to zero.

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Bob

2:48 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Susan, at least Brown released his documents. Ask Warren, Harvard or Penn to do the same! Or is it only Republican transparency you want?

Iron Mike

1:24 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

You should be saddened Bill. Consider two (2) factors...

1. For over 40 years union teachers have been steadily dumbing down our kids. “Politics is dirty – leave it to the professionals”.

2. For over 40 years the media has skewed the news – to favor liberals [actually to celebrate them] and vilify conservatives. They've turned off so many readers that advertising and circulation are at an all-time low. They've had to go web-based and fee based to survive. Yet STILL they do everything with a liberal slant.

Today's voters – the ones under 50 – can't name countries on a blank map, can't name 5 key battles in our Civil War or WWII, - and can't explain the difference between deficit and debt. Thus many think Clinton eliminated our national debt and left 'a surplus' which Bush squandered.

Anyone running for office today needs to make it on a ten-word 'feel-good' soundbite. Yep, you should be very sad.

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Lizbeth DeSelm

2:43 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Please state your sources, Iron Mike, wrt-

-union teachers 'dumbing down our kids' where non-union teachers did not.

-the media being completely and totally biased towards liberals.

If either of these are true, great, if not, please revise your two (2) factors.

I have absolutely no problem with anyone on this board expressing their opinions. Freedom of Speech is just that, freedom to express your views. However, I do have a problem with voters and politicians stating things as facts when they are not. If you are going to make a claim, back it up.

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Iron Mike

2:53 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

I'll go you one better Lizbeth...

I'll issue you the exact same challenge I do other doubting liberals and knee-jerk defenders of our public cesspools [er – schools]. Ready?

Spend three (3) hours with me in the mall / outside the theater / outside the high school of your choice maybe at a football game] – and watch me issue the kids and young adults a simple history & civics quiz.

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Lizbeth DeSelm

3:00 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Great. Just so I can understand-

So you want to use a sample of sports-going/consumerist/movie-viewing teens as the basis for your statements? Does that include the 'liberal' bias? What questions would you ask? How would you design the experiment/survey? Do you think you should include those kids that go to the library, bible study, boys/girls scouts?

I am a (non-union) scientist. I tend to look for supporting evidence. Before you go painting me with a brush with colors akin to Fox or NBCNews, perhaps you should answer the question of sources. I am happy to debate with you, on a strictly intellectual level, but I will not kowtow to name calling, labeling, or other derision.

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Iron Mike

3:08 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Sorry LizBeth, I have ZERO interest in 'debating you'. I will continue to call 'em as I see 'em, names, labels, and all. You were issued a challenge – so put up or ...

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Lizbeth DeSelm

3:28 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Fair enough Mike. I'll go out and poll kids with you, if and when you post your sources.

Call them as you see them for as long as you want. I prefer to review facts before I make a decision on who to support. And for the record, both FNC and NBCNews have trouble reporting the facts. I think the vast majority of the voting public buy these 'facts' hook line and sinker, without doing any research whatsoever.

I agree, going through and learning about a topic is hard work. Good for you for being able to state that, though in not so many words.

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J.longbow

4:17 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Mike, good points. Tell Liz to watch a few episodes when Jay Leno goes out and polls 20 somethings about the most obvious questions and they cant answer them. What an embarrassment.

Anon

1:30 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Iron Mike -
And how are those Foxconn worker enjoying their 'shop'? That is, the ones who haven't committed suicide or been killed in riots?
I'm not sure we should be complaining that our politicians don't allow large corporations to run roughshod over our country's workers.

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Patricia

3:50 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

What does Apple have to do with this? Do you own Apple products? If you do, then look in the mirror since you are one of the reasons those people work as they do.

Raj

1:38 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Warren does not even want to run. She is being funded by the National Democratic party to keep the seat warm for Joe Kennedy III, who is running with absolutely no creds for the 4th Congressional District. They want to take the senate seat away from the people and give it to the Kennedys again. As far as the debate, Warren has no substance. Brown is the better choice here, but rest assured, he is just using his office as a stepping stone too.

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Patricia

3:52 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Good observation on Kennedy/Warren. True I hear he really performed poorly at his Saturday morning debate. I do agree Warren being foisted upon us comes from Washington DC and Deval Patrick. Their fingerprints are all over this. Hopefully we can reject it.

Susan

1:39 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

On second pass, there isn't a single A or A- on his entire transcript... yeesh. If I were hiring someone to represent me...or run my business... it certainly wouldn't be Scott Brown.

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Bob

3:55 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Too bad! Bill Gates built the number one company in the world as a college drop out and you wouldn't have hired him! Take off the blinders! Grades are BS and only show what you can remember/regurgitate.

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Edward W

5:21 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

He's done pretty well coming from a hardscrabble background--you should rethink your hiring practices--common sense goes a long way. As someone mentioned you would have missed out on Bill Gates. And of course a Mass hero--Ted Kennedy--was caught cheating twice and had to have dada buy his way out of it. And Obama got D's in economics and governemnt at both Occidental and Columbia.

quasimodo

2:28 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

In the next debate, I believe Warren should bring up the predatory loans that Brown facilitated. I have a friend who did exactly that few years ago: presently, my friend is in a Federal Pen for 6 years, while Brown is running for Senator. Isn't it great? Yes, Brown does belong back in Washington, with all of his crooked colleagues.

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Who Me?

3:01 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Scott Brown simply was there at closing to make sure no legal rules were violated. Standard run of the mill legalese. Somehow connecting a real estate closing for people who are voluntarily entering into a contract with a bank is to somehow be helping a bank or mortgage company commit a crime is patently ridiculous. The job of an attorney at a loan closing does not involve said Attorney to determine if the loan was the right decision for the borrower nor is the Attorney in cahoots with the mortgage company. A closing Attorney doesn't "facilitate" anything in that closing and was not even involved with the Bank or the Borrowers. Your post identifies you as a Demagogue who also realizes his or her candidate is falling behind in the polls so let the truth be dammed. Your accusation is merit less, dishonest and epitomizes how the Left intends to operate in the final months of the campaign. Good luck with it....it ain’t gonna fly.

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quasimodo

8:29 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

How naive of you, Who Me, but so was my friend: he was just there, as a lawyer, closing the deals.

A Taker

2:33 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Really Diana? School transcripts? That's all you got?

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Richard Jertz

2:43 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

I think Doug Sears should run for the Senate.

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Mark

2:50 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

McGovern, Capuano, Frank, Tierney and Markey are all members of The Congressional Progressive Caucus, a Socialist group, and are all proponents of the elitist Liz Warren.
America doesn't need another Godless redistributionist in Congress. Vote for Scott Brown. He's the American!

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Steevo

2:59 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Susan, you can't see economic policy other than centralized government mandate i.e. redistributionism. You believe Obama's policies have worked. I disagree.

Elizabeth Warren is a deluded liar and blatant hypocrite according to the values she claims to stand for. I don't care about your "morality".

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Leonardo DaVinci

4:05 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Brown took his clothes off and claimed he did it for tuition money. Why does that not relate to his credibility and honesty? Is this not a double standard? Do your really want a guy representing you, that can't project, that being a nude centerfold is not the best way to get to the US Senate. Could Warren survive that double standard blunder? Warren is a serious leader and Brown can't hold a candle to her life's accomplishments. Republicans are not stupid. and they know when a law is going to pass with overwhelming Demorcratic support, that's when Brown votes bi-partisan so he can make that claim of bi-partisanship during elections. Wall St. thievery, Big Banks predatory loans, all contrived, all self-inflicted, was in reality extortion of the public "Treasury". Bail them out, or they warned the nation will collapse into world wide recession. How about 1.2 Trillion Dollars of secret loans by the Bush administration in December, 2008, before he left office. Why was it secret? Brown supported them 100%. Ms. Warren was a Republican before 1995, and the Pubs loved her, yes they did? You Brown supporter didn't know that? Come on, be honest, you don't really know anything about Warren except the heritage story. Warren left the Republican Party to help the middle-class survive new laws pitted against them. Republicans including Brown practiced obstruction politics the minute President Obama took office. They had no intent on working for America, just wanted to screw Obama.

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Lizbeth DeSelm

4:09 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

As I asked someone earlier... state some sources please.

I think Brown is not nearly as bad a guy as you state, nor do I think Warren the leader you portray, but I am open to learning more about them both. Hence my request for sources.

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Who Me?

4:16 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

30 years ago at the age of 22 Scott Brown posed nude, he was appropriately covered where it mattered, and today.....it is the most pressing matter in this Senate race.

I'm gonna need at least 2 drinks with supper tonight to handle the amount of drain bamaging data I have read on here today.

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Bob

4:30 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

"Brown took his clothes off and claimed he did it for tuition money. Why does that not relate to his credibility and honesty?"

Leo, when did Brown lie about it? He was open and forthcoming about the spread. You are right, it does relate to his honesty and credibility. He admitted it and moved on! Warren has lied, changed her story, lied again and changed her story again. And you can't see the difference?

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Ron

10:19 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Why, when she was younger she did not check the box when she applied for the U of Houston, then checked the box when she applied to U Penn and Harvard Law, run with it for a while and then change her status?

Someone benefited for it, either she got the job or Harvard got the minority hire and possibly Federal funding for it???

It just looks strange. And then there is the whole question about practicing law without a license. Hasn't been that publicized so I'd have to imagine that there is some sort of law that I don't certainly don't know about.

She sounds like a tremendous teacher/Professor. It reminds me of a saying that I heard when I was younger. "Those who can, will; those who can't, teach.

Profeesor, you one class begins in February, I hope your syllabus is ready. Enjoy the 350K and hope the student loan thing handles itself. Remember you checked the box.

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Diana

7:39 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Hums... "my blood runs cold, my Senator's a centerfold."

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Christina Walsh

7:48 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Ron,

"She sounds like a tremendous teacher/Professor. It reminds me of a saying that I heard when I was younger. "Those who can, will; those who can't, teach."

Sounds like you don't have a lot of respect for teachers in general. That's too bad. There are wonderful, talented, smart people out there who choose to teach. These people are responsible for preparing future generations of Americans to become contributing members of society. They deserve respect.

quasimodo

8:31 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Something I will always be puzzled about: are all those defending (and voting for) the Republicans multimillionaires or just dumb?

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Ron

9:03 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Opposed to the Democratic millionairs? Taxes won't affect any millionairs, there are always loopholes in the laws for millionairs. Taxes only effect the middle class and we have plenty already.

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Iron Mike

10:33 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Well Quasi... I've been a lifelong Republican – on the slightly conservative side.

Most money I ever had to carry around was $1100.oo – I was single then, and had just spent a long time in the woods.

So tell me Quasi – how many POOR people have YOU known that started businesses, hired people, promoted people as their business grew, and then provided health insurance and stock options?

If you've been spending your life filled with envy, and harboring grudges that rich people are conspiring against you,...well, you could probably get a job on Obama's staff.

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quasimodo

11:16 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Iron Mike,

Nowadays, I never carry more than $$50-100 in my wallet , but it used to be $10-20. However, I certainly have not "spent my life filled with envy," on the contrary. I have been rather successful, at least in my opinion, and people conspiring against me have never entered my mind. I am not and never was a "victim." On the contrary, I have had several good breaks, some luck, I added some persistent hard work, and I can say that "I made it."

On the other end, you certainly seem to be the bitter, envious one.

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Richie M

8:23 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

It's no different than your defense of the multimillionaire I mean the tireless heroine of the "hammered" middle class who's worth $14.5 million. It's funny quasi you and the rest of her followers don't seem to have a problem with her wealth. It's just wealthy republicans that you have a problem with. The last time I checked Scott Brown is not the one worth $14.5 million. Maybe you're just like Liz, you've deluded yourself into thinking that $14.5 million is chump change and chump change doesn't make you wealthy. I'm sure that being one of her most ardent supporters you remember the interview when she was reminded of her wealth and her response was: " I know there are wealthy people, but I'm not one of them". Are most politicians hypocrites? Sure they are. But Elizabeth Warren's hypocrisy is just more brazen.

Leonardo DaVinci

9:40 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Bob I presumed that you undertood that I am contending that he lied about the "reason" he posed, not that he lied about posing nude. He posed for a National Magazine, how can he deny that? Please answer the question, would Elizabeth Warren have been elected to the Senate as Scott Brown was if she took of her clothes for Playboy Magazine even if she was appropriately covered where it mattered. Not a chance in hell, and it's the double standard I object to, why should she be held to a different standard? You believe his story about why he chose to go nude, but not Elizabeth Warren's that she believes what her mother told her about her heritage. I'm Italian-American, and my Dad was born in Brazil, but raised in Italy. My mother was also Italian-American but born in New York and lived in Nova Scotia as a young girl. My uncle, my father's brother and family historian claims our family originated from Spain, but migrated to Italy in the 18 Century because the younger siblings could not marry or inherit property, so they left to be free. I believe my family history, and have never tried to proof it in a court of law and rarely does anyone try to prove what their parents tell them about their heritage, except Republican trying to muddy the waters of reality. It's a bunch of B.S. and so is Brown's assertion that he stripped for gold. Lets discuss the real issues. Dear Lizbeth I will try to state sources for you soon, if you will be more specific about the sources you require.

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Bob

8:56 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Leo, I know someone who knew Scott AND Gail at that time. It was for money. He didn't lie. He came from a broken home and moved around because of money issues with his mother.
It would make no difference if she did or didn't. This is the same BS argument you guys used about Marsha when she ran against him.
Warren admitted she had no proof and didn't check off the box early in her life because she had no proof. She didn't check it for undergrad or student financial aid. WHY?
All of a sudden in her 30's or 40's when rejected for plum jobs she checks the box and is hired at Penn. She applies for Harvard and checks the box again and is hired there. That doesn't make you question at all? Harvard listed her as a non-white facilty so they could meet their quota for government (ie. OUR Tax dollars) money. Someone lied to get that money and there should be an investigation to recover it.
I would love to discuss the real issues. The problem is the democrats keep calling me racist or sexist or what ever. You don't want to discuss issues because you have nothing to support. Gas is 100% higher, food is 25+% higher, taxes are higher, debt is higher, deficit is higher and the country hasn't had a budget in 3 years! Obama's 3 budget proposals have garnered exactly 0 votes D or R in the Senate. That should tell anyone paying attention all they need to know about his economic plans.

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Patricia

9:14 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Gee, I thought Warren supporters were all about college students trying to afford a college education, no? Hey, people born without financial support must do what they have to to get ahead and earn money. I'm pleased with the fact that Brown paid his own way. And this heritage issue of Warren's is a big deal - she has no integrity and it shows.

Mike Combs

10:59 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Scott Brown could have used the debate to talk about jobs, but instead he squandered the time expanding on his petty attacks. And when it was all said and done, he admitted that Warren wasn't lying and was qualified for her job. I think pursuing these attacks on Warren but not being willing to stand behind them when across the table from Elizabeth shows that he's a coward.

The same thing happened when he chose to waste time talking about the old asbestos lawsuit. He was forced to admit that lawyers represent their client's interests, and that the victims in the asbestos lawsuit support Warren. Another petty attack over nothing.

And the result? Over half the debate time was wasted on Scott Brown's petty unsupported insinuations instead of jobs, our troops in Afghanistan, Scott's lack of support for returning veterans, and his support for turning Medicare into a voucher system.

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quasimodo

11:11 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012

Like most politician, Brown is just an empty suit.

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Tewksbury2001

6:17 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

His point on the asbestos case was that her political ads talk about "helping the little guy" but her law career shows she helped big corporations and insurance companies. That is not ok with me. As a lawyer she can do what is appropriate but now she can't claim to me see will do something else for "the little guy". She is a fraud. She will do exactly what Obama tells her to do. Don't waste a vote on her.

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Diana

7:45 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Petty attacks is all Brown and his supporters have. I mean seriously, we're dealing with people who are obsessed with the fact that Warren may have been mistaken about her genealogy umpteen years ago, and completely unconcerned that Scott Brown lied about his voting record this week. These are not reasonable people.

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Bob

9:04 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Mike, he NEVER said she wasn't qualified to be a professor. This is the BS you people are trying to do but you are speaking to people who, unlike the D lemmings of the DNC, don't follow the shiny object. He challenged her at the debate and she continues to talk in circles. Harvard got a lot of my tax money because they designated her as non-white and I want it back! It is also a crime and I want whomever did it prosecuted! Though with Marsha as AG, my bet is it will be a Captain Renault investigation!

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Patricia

9:10 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Diana, no many people are obsessed with the fact that Warren is not the most truthful person, has zero integrity - but that's ok for a candidate? Really? I know you wish her whole "issue" would go away, but it's not. Many of us are unenrolled and not party lemmings.

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Patricia

9:11 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

I believe the moderator brought up the fake heritage issue. That was not Brown's doing.

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Bob

9:17 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Patricia, remember that this is the party that had 3 straight Speakers of the House indicted and convicted by the feds because our Democrat AG's never even investigated! It is the party that elected a murderer because of his name and has gerrymandered the voting districts in this state so minorities have little or no say but they are the hero's of the "little guy".

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ron johnson

9:27 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Mike,
I am always amazed by the people who support Warren blame Brown for the questions asked by the moderator. Mike, the fact is that she has mishandled the issue from the beginning. Please go back to a news conference with her and Deval Patrick before she even was the nominee and she how she ducked the question. First Deval stepped in and tried to intimidate the reporter, then after the reporter asked her to answer, your candidate's answer was "I defer to the governor"
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gov-deval-patrick-blocks-elizabeth-warren-at-local-press-conference-answers-question-on-heritage-for-her/
Also, I am not sure what you were watching, but Brown stated that he supported the President's plan for the war and they did talk about jobs. As far as Medicare, I do not recall the question being asked.
I guess he supposed to answer a question that was not asked.

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Karl Weld

10:13 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Diana, we don't care that she was mistaken about her heritage. What we do care very much about is the fact that she used that heritage (ultimately proven to be false) for career advancement. She graduated from an underwhelming University of Houston and the 82nd ranked law school Rutgers. She had never claimed her (mistaken) heritage up to that point. But only after she finished school and was seeking employment did this claim appear. And once she got her tenured position at Harvard is suddenly disappeared. She used it to gain an advantage professionally when her academic background would not distinguish her from the thousands of other graduates. If you don't have a problem with that, it says more about you than us. The dean of Harvard Law admitted that at the time of her hire, Harvard Law was following an aggressive policy of affirmative action given the heat they were taking about the lack of diversity of their professors. Harvard hit the trifecta with her: a "minority", a woman, and a much-coveted lawyer husband's coat tails to ride.

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Diana

11:58 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

You can all scream about how you care about her "integrity", but I'm not buying it until you demonstrate concern about his. Lemmings, indeed.

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Mike Combs

1:51 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Scott Brown should explain why the asbestos victims support Warren and thank her for her work, and why Brown thinks it was wrong of Warren to help them. Who's side is he on? In a lawsuit between two insurance companies, why does he think it was wrong that she represented an insurance company?

To be qualified to be a Senator, he should think before he speaks.

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Bob

2:16 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Why Mike? The POTUS doesn't! "The Cambridge Police Department acted stupidly"

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Ron

3:12 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Mike, I believe Brown was questioning her on why she agreed to take on the case? I believe that Warren was hired by the insurance company in the case to defend them, not the victims who the insurance company was going to pay.The insurance company, who paid her 225K to defend them, set up a trust for the victims. She did her job for her client and did what they asked. The facts are that she put 225K in her pocket while the victims put less than 6K in theirs.

Fighting for families as long as she gets paid more. Tax them, create legislation and protect your parties interest first and then claim that your fighting for the famlies with the leftovers.

That's what happens in those cases. You can say what you want but the only winners are the lawyers. I quess she can claim to fight for and win the case for the victims but do they really win compared to the lawyers? The lawyers get paid either way from a differnt pile of corporate money.

I also heard (on conservative radio, full disclosure) but can't confirm that the Company of the victims was advised by insurance lawyers to file for bankrupcy so no additional suits could be filed. I heard that it was a common practice to protect themselves but have no way to know.

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Patricia

9:18 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

She can't run away from that rag tag group fast enough now, same with all the other pols.

Leonardo DaVinci

9:14 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Elizabeth Warren Publications 1987 "Bankruptcy Policy" Chicago Law Review, 1992 "The Untenable Case for Repeal of Chapter 11, The Yale Law Journal, 1993 "Bankruptcy Policymaking in an Imperfect World", Michigan Law Review, 1997 "Principled Approach to Consumer Bankruptcy" American Bankruptcy Law Journal, 1998 "The Bankruptcy Crisis" Indian Law Journal, 2000 "Financial Characteristics of Business in Bankruptcy" American Bankruptcy Law Journal, 2005 "Illness and Injury as Contributors to Bankruptcy" Health Affairs Project Hope, 2007 "Ending poverty in America" how to restore the American Dream The Neo Press, 2009 "Medical Bankruptc in the United States" Result of a national study, American Journal of Medicine. Books: 1989 "As We Forgive Our Debtors: Bankruptcy and Consumer Credit in America--Oxford University Press, 2001 "The Fragile MIddle Class: Americans in Debt", 2004 "The Two-Income Trap: The Ultimate Lifetime Money Plan" and 2006 "All your Worth" both co-written with her daughter Amelia Warren Tyagi, 2008 "Cases and Problems" co-written with Jay Westbrook, Aspen Publications, 2008 "Chapter 11" Reorganizing America's Business, Aspen Publications, 2008 "Secured Credit" Wolfers Kluwen.
Notable Accomplishments: She did groundbreaking research while teaching at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law on how the nation's bankruptcy code was affecting average familes in a very negative way.
Warren and 2 colleagues studied court records to determine who was filing---

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Who Me?

9:23 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Make no mistake about this...the Occupy Now Movement ads linking Warren to those criminals are coming and soon.

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ron johnson

9:28 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Mike, you will vote for her regardless of what I say here and I will not regardless of what you say. I have a problem with her because I doubt her reasons for running and I doubt her claims for fighting for the little guy. As an aside, as a lawyer she works for her pays her bill and that was the insurance company, she was hired to limit their exposure and create a pool of money from which to pay the claims. The insurance company paid her to create a system by which they would be protected from any more claims. The insurance company ended up paying no one from the pool and claimed that because the indemnification they sought was not achieved they owed nothing. As far as I know, she kept the money and the victims received nothing. I do not know of any attorneys who are paid by one party are supposedly working for the other side. That is what she is claiming. I would suggest that you ask the victims again if they are happy with the results.
Elizabeth Warren has no ideas of her own. She could not name one Senator that she could work other than one who was defeated in his primary. She will vote with Obama on every issue. She was chosen to run by the White House to “get back the seat” and that is what she is doing. She is running against the republican party and not Scott Brown.
When I cast my vote, I would rather vote for someone who is not a shill for another person’s agenda.

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Leonardo DaVinci

9:31 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Warren and 2 colleague studied court records to determine who was filing for bankruptcy and why. They found that single catastrohic events, such as medical problems or unemployment rather than derelection of debt, often caused working class families to renege on debt. In 1995 while still a Republican Warren was asked to advice the National Bankruptcy Review Commission. She helped draft the commissions's report and worked for several years to oppose legislation intended to severely restrict the right of consumers to file for bankruptcy. Warren and others opposing legislation were "not successful" and in 2005 Congress passed the "Bankruptcy Abuse & Prevention and Consumers Protection Act. which severely limited the average consumer to file for bankruptcy. She left the Republican party after that. From Nov. 2006 to Nov. 2010 Warren was a member ofthe FDIC Advisory Committee on Economic Inclusion. She is a member of the National Bankruptcy Conference, an independent organization which adivises the US Congress on bankruptcy law. She is a former vice-president of the American Law Institute and a memeber of tshe Amercan Academy of Arts and Sciences. Warren taught law at Rutgers School of Law, Nework, 1977-79, Univ. of Houston Law School, 1978-83, Univ. of Texas School of Law, 1981-87, Univ. of Michigan as a visiting professor in 1985, The Univ. of Pennsylvania Law School, 1987-92 and 1993-95, Harvard University 1992-1993 and 1995 to present. Too much to list at this time.

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ron johnson

9:46 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Leonardo,

An impressive list, you may want to go further and read about the questions raised by reviewers of one of the first books that attacked her and her co-authors research and methods and how they conveniently "destroyed" the research, one of the co-authors who was the president of UVA came under fire as well. Good for her she is an academic and like most she has accumulated a body of work in her area of the law. However like the other other issues, her integrity was questioned.

Leonardo DaVinci

9:52 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Elizabeth Warren's work on who and why people were filing for bankruptcy as stated previously put Warren on the cutting edge of a new school of thought that emphasized real impacts of people's lives rather than mere theory. It also led to her first book "As We Forgive Our Debtors" which won the American Bar Association's Silver Gavel Award after it was published in 1989. Warren went on to write bankruptcy related articles for the Yale School of Journalism in 1992, and Michigan Law Review in 1993. After Warren began teaching at Harvard, she served on a commission that helped overall the federal bankruptcy laws in 1997. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), also appointed her in 2008 to chair a conressional panel that oversaw the bank bailouts. In the wake of 2008 Financial Crisis, Warren served as chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel createdt to oversee the "Troubled Asset Relief Program" (TARP). She later served as assistant to the President and special advisor to the Secretary of Treasury for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau under President Obama. In the late 2000's, she was recognized by publications such as the "National Law Journal" and the "Time 100" as an increasingly influential public policy figure. It has been stated countless times that all her jobs and promotions have been predicated on her excellent credentials, and accomplishments and "FOR NO OTHER REASON" Remember she was once a Republican and if she still was, Republicans would glorify her.

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Karl Weld

10:01 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

In 1990, Rutgers Professor Philip Shuchman charged Elizabeth Warren, along with Teresa A. Sullivan, the President of University of Virginia who resigned unexpectedly, and Jay Westbrook, her two co-authors of the 1989 book, "As We Forgive Our Debtors: Bankruptcy and Consumer Credit in America", with “scientific misconduct.”

Professor Shuchman concluded his book review with this powerful allegation:
"This book contains so much exaggeration, so many questionable ploys, and so many incorrect statements that it would be well to check the accuracy of their raw data, as old as it is. But the authors arranged matters so that they could not provide access to the computer printouts by case, with the corresponding bankruptcy court file numbers, this preventing any independent check of the raw data in the files from which they took their information."

In the footnote to this paragraph, Shuchman notes:
"A common instance of misconduct in science occurs when 'there [is] no way to verify whether or not [the] research was accurate.’ Woolf, Deception in Scientific Research, 29 Jurimetrics J. 67, 83 table 5 n.4 (1988)."

In short, she and her co-authors made stuff up to back up their ideologically-slanted thesis.

Who Me?

9:59 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

I believe it was MLK during his "I have a dream speech" in front of the Lincoln Memorial stated "we hold these truths to be self evident"

Warren's truths will also be self evident.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/elizabeth-warren-defrauded-asbestos-victims-while-practicing-law-without-a-license/

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Iron Mike

10:11 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Come on Republicans, - wake up!

These Democrats aren't concerned AT ALL with Warren's serial [pathological?] lying. They don't care about the hypocrisy of her flipping foreclosed homes in Oklahoma.

They don't care about her $350K salary or Occupy Wall Street...or no Mass Law License...

They WANT their candidates corrupt and flawed.

Since the early days of James Michael Curley, JFK, Bobby, Fat Teddy, Lurch, Dukakis, the Three Speakers, Jack O'Brien, Johnny Pockets, Lover-Boy Marzilli,... they WANT their candidates to be 'just like them' – definitely NOT men or women of character and honor!

All Warren needs to win now is a DUI! [Best if after a car chase.]

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Lizbeth DeSelm

10:16 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

The comments here get better and better! Wish I had a bowl of popcorn and a soda. This is better than the movies!

[Case studies in Political Psychology, in the context of blind ideology]

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Iron Mike

10:26 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

You're waiting for a government agent to bring you popcorn and a soda?

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ron johnson

10:49 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Lizbeth,
You may want to put down the popcorn and soda and do some research. EW is a fraud and a puppet of the WH. Please give me one piece of substantive legistation she has proposed. I would also, like her to do this without using "rigged" "hammered" and how she is fighting for the little guy. Obama needs her to win and she will do and say anything to try.

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david mokal

6:15 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

I Agree Lizbeth Got my Orville's on now

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Bill Gilman

10:23 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

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ron johnson

11:15 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Leonardo,

Good for you, you are taking information out of her bio. As far as her debate skills, not impressed. she talked over Brown on occasion and had to had to be told to stop and move on once after abusing Brown's right to talk on more than one occasion.

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P.P. Longstocking

12:29 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Boo-hoo-hoo Scotties being picked on by a GIRL. If he can't handle an academic, what does that say about his ability to handle foreign policy?

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TewksParent

12:47 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Who said he couldn't handle Warren? He romped in that debate.

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ron johnson

12:52 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Christina,
I was pointing out the mistatements in Leonardo's post, do you have no sense of humor at all. It was clearly a mistake, I fully realize that she could not have graduated from college and law school in the same year. As far as a debate team scholarship, I was not impressed with her skills, she may have lost her fastball, or she is too busy talking over people and trying to get to her now famous talking points such as "rigged" and "hammered"

Vincent DiRico

12:09 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

in my eyes there is only one way to handle the boxes, EVERY TIME, they are not a make your own sundae where you get to pick and choose

EW wasn't native American, the she was and now she isn't again, ... or maybe she is, ...

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/Senate/2012/0926/Elizabeth-Warren-and-Cherokee-heritage-what-is-known-about-allegations

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P.P. Longstocking

12:26 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

I see the Koch Brothers $$$ is doing its job here. I'm betting 80% of the pro-Scott-dog comments are from out of state Tea Partiers. Why does anybody even bother arguing with them?

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Patricia

12:45 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

What is it with the left and the Koch brothers? Is it because they are rich, or just a difference of opinion, I really don't get their hangup with them. Anyways, looks like PP Longstocking got her talking points but I'm afraid she/he is wrong. Like out of staters are going out of their way to post on Chelmsford Patch, jeez.

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P.P. Longstocking

4:28 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

You don't know I'm Left, Patricia. Maybe I just like it when people buy elections. And yes the Koch Brothers and the "Tea Party" have bought this election. Spending $8 - $1 will have that effect, unfortunately. Millions of out-of-state dollars poured into Massachusetts during the last week of the election that made Scottie Boo Boo a senator. That was money from Texas. And Arizona. And other states that have agendas different from the Massachusetts one. And yeah out-of-staters are going to come to the Patch and voice their opinions. The ones that aren't paid just do it to show them darn Librels whut's whut. (Btw The Patch isn't specific to one town.)

quasimodo

12:46 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Basically, we need one more Democrat senator and one less Republican. The rest is mental masturbation.

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TewksParent

12:51 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

You're close, except we need 51 fewer Democrat senators.

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P.P. Longstocking

7:32 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

We need Democrats who act like Democrats, quasimodo.

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12:51 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Exactly. It's clear Romney is going to lose. We send representatives to Washington to protect and advance our interests. If the Shawsheen floods or we have another natural disaster, who is best going to make sure Mass. gets what it needs? That's what people need to focus on. And the answer in an Obama administration is clearly Elizabeth Warren.

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Vincent DiRico

1:09 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Please help us, what makes it clear for you?

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Iron Mike

1:17 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

So you feel that Warren is best qualified to deal with a disaster - because she IS a disaster? Or because she can do an authentic Cherokee rain dance?

Frankly, the interest I want protected and advanced is to have the federal government made smaller and backed OUT of my life!

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P.P. Longstocking

4:31 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

I'm amazed that the Obama ads don't focus on how horribly Romney messed up when he was in England. He managed to alienate an entire country. This is a guy who can't find enough off-shore countries to bury money in but he has zero expertise with international relations. So strange.

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Ron

5:08 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Yea, the guy in the Oval office has great "international relations" or more commonly know as "Forign Policy". Won't meet with the Prime Minister of Isreal at the UN becasue he has dates with the ladies from the "View" and Letterman. Our diplomats are being killed and the BO admin appears to be covering up thier lack of response to credible threats and we still have no idea what went on there. It's a disgrace, not a bump in the road.

If BO was the CFO of a public corpoartion, investors would demand his resignation or fire him.

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P.P. Longstocking

7:20 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Actually I think it's more commonly known as "ForEign policy" but to each his own. And yeah let's talk about The View. Romney called them "sharp tongued women" and a tough group to deal with. Romney's afraid he can't hold his own with the ladies on The View. Yeah. Put Romney on a plane and send him around the world. Let him tell the people in the "Soviet Union" that their trees are the right height. Yeah. Let's do that.

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TMHSGrad

7:37 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

PP - read some of your own posts. You might find that you shouldn't be one correcting others' spelling and grammar. As for The View, the only people who care about the women on that show are the layabouts that are home to watch them.

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P.P. Longstocking

7:47 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

TMHS - "Ron" corrected me and I corrected "Ron." There's really no need for you to call me out for MY spelling or grammar is there? Are there still liquor stores on the highway in New Hampshire?

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TMHSGrad

7:51 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

You tell me. Judging by your writings, it sounds like you frequent them.

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Christina Walsh

8:06 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Ron,

Ok, you were joking but forgive me for not immediately coming to that conclusion. It seems like Elizabeth Warren's critics are quick to jump on anything that looks negative about her.

As far as the dynamics of the debate, you have the filter that you look through as I have mine. At one point I had to mute the television when Senator Brown was rudely interrupting Ms. Warren. I was getting so upset I had to take a break. And the constant reference to her as "Professor" was really tiresome. He said it was supposed to be a sign of respect but I don't buy it. It was an attempt to continually remind the audience of her role as a professor and all of the "elitism" he believes that entails.

And I don't really get the nice guy image that everyone believes he has. He comes off as a bit pompous and chauvinistic to me.

Leonardo DaVinci

1:04 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

After making an effort in writing a small book extolling the virtues of why I think Elizabeth Warren is the person for the job in Massachusetts, I will and do make some unintended errors from time to time, since I am handicapped and completely blind in one eye and have limited vision in the other. I cannot see the computer with my glasses on and can only see written script without my glasses on at a 50% rate, so i's look like l's and 3's look like 8's and g's look like z's, I think you get the idea. So I will and do make errors due to my very poor eyesight and I cannot afford a secretary. I do the best I can and receive no goverment assistance. I will make sometimes make errors. Just try to imagine the prinicple of what I am saying. We are all parroting information in one form or another. Even you must make the occasional error. So would you like an example of one piece of legistation (Whoops), you must mean legislation Warren has proposed? No big deal, I know what you meant. I can give you legislation that Elizabeth Warren proposed very easily and that should prove to anyone reading your information that you don't really know the facts, because you just blew a big one. Also, why do I believe it won't matter one bit and you will just gloss over it. Answer this question please? I noticed that none of you Brown supporters will. Would Elizabeth Warren have even a slight chance of being elected after posing nude at any time in her life. The double standard really is unfair

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Iron Mike

1:35 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

If you want to see a naked picture of her - why not just paint one? Or ask her...

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Bob

2:13 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Leo, He posed with as much covered up as you would see at ANY beach in Massachusetts. If Liz Warren posed in a bikini (God forbid I would have to rip my eyes out) it would make no difference.
So in summation, he didn't pose in the nude. He posed with his private area covered as we men do at the beach, in the pool and many ties on the street.

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ron johnson

2:27 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Leonardo,

go for it, what has she proposed. I have watched both debates, she botched the question about who is the Senate she can work with and so far all we hear is how she would have voted with the WH on some job bills. I do not care about who posed for a picture, you may want to ask yourself why she is running and if the WH did not ask, would she be running.

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Christina Walsh

8:14 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Quite frankly, I don't have a problem that Scott Brown posed nude when he was younger.

But come one guys! You have to agree with Leonardo that there is a different standard for women. If Elizabeth Warren had posed nude, it wouldn't be dismissed so easily by people.

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Vincent DiRico

8:20 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

"If Elizabeth Warren had posed nude"

-> pleeeeease with a bathing suit ;) Just like SB.

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Christina Walsh

8:39 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

OK, whether it was nude or semi-nude, there is still double standard for women.

For Scott Brown's supporters, it is OK that he posed for pictures to earn money while in school. Somehow I think if Elizabeth Warren had done the same that there would have been a lot of criticism along with a myriad of tasteless jokes.

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TMHSGrad

8:45 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

30 years ago it would have been a huge problem for her. I don't think it's that big a deal nowadays.

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Iron Mike

11:16 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

'Double standards' vary from country to country...

In 1987 a 'film star' named Anna Ilona Staller [screen name Cicciolina] was elected to the Italian parliment - where she served 5 years. She would give campaign speeches with one side exposed. Thus she didn't need to spend much for yard signs.

Donal Waide

1:34 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Anyone curious why Brown kept calling himself an independent, while he's clearly not. He kept saying he was 50-50 on voting but in fact was 67% R (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/16/1132616/-Scott-Brown-is-not-a-moderate-his-first-vote-would-be-for-Majority-Leader-McConnell). That he is endorsed by millionaire sports people of MA simply means he represents their interests better and we know none of them are the 99%

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Vincent DiRico

1:54 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

From our very own Globb (and Congressional Quarterly analysis ), it says 54% is a correct number but as usual, you can spin it however you like, ... did he know the amendments would (would not) pass before voting?

I don't have time nor the desire to set you right on the other points in an article posted on KOS, reader beware!

http://bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/10/02/fact-check-debate/QkSPbkIbodITrWIXIBCPII/story.html

ISSUE: Did Brown vote 50 percent of the time with Senate Democrats?

In his closing statement, Brown sought to burnish his ­bipartisan credentials by asserting, “I’m 50 percent with my party, 50 percent with the other party.”

FACTS: It depends on how you count the votes.

A Congressional Quarterly analysis found that Brown voted with the Republican leadership 54 percent of the time. But that calculation included dozens of amendments that had no chance of passing.

As the Globe reported in May, on the most important, news-generating votes since he arrived in office in early 2010, Brown joined Republican leaders 76 percent of the time, ­according to an analysis by Project Vote Smart, a nonpartisan organization.

But Brown repeatedly points to the Congressional Quarterly study to assert that he is a truly bipartisan senator; Democrats meanwhile hold up the Vote Smart study to assert that, on matters of consequence, he is a more reliable Republican vote.

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Bob

2:03 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Right and the multi-millionare Senator Brown is running against will look out for the 99% right? Why has she not paid the higher Massachusetts income rate then?

BTW - Not to interrupt you spewing with facts but, he was rated the SECOND most bi-partisan Senator. John Kerry was in the 90's.

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P.P. Longstocking

4:33 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

He endorsed by the Tea Party and thanked them by name when he won. That's all you need to know.

TMHSGrad

2:26 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Speaking of checking boxes, how many of you Warren supporters elected to pay the higher MA income tax rate?

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P.P. Longstocking

4:41 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Higher than what or whom, TMHS? And plz don't waste my time listing states that have lower taxes but offer fewer svcs than Massachusetts.

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TMHSGrad

5:08 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

MA taxpayers have the option to pay a higher 5.85% income tax rate, instead of the standard 5.3% rate. You must be one of those freeloaders who don't pay income tax, or you would know this.

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Christina Walsh

5:22 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

TMHSGrad, do you pay the higher tax rate?

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TMHSGrad

7:17 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

No, I don't. I am in favor of lower taxes. Higher taxes are the linchpin of the liberal agenda. But considering how liberals operate, I am sure none of the Warren supporters on this board elect to pay the higher tax rate either.

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P.P. Longstocking

7:26 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

I don't think TMHS is a Massachusetts citizen. Just a guess. Maybe he's from "Live Free or Die" New Hampshire where they pay NO taxes. What do you get for no taxes in New Hampshire: hospitals so bad they med-flight people to Massachusetts hospitals every day; terrible roads and schools, lack of police and firefighters and poorly trained teachers. That's why the people from New Hampshire come to Massachusetts -- for jobs and healthcare. Then they drive back to NH on their cracked roads and slap themselves on the back for being outlaws.

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TMHSGrad

7:42 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Well, PP, you've been wrong about everything else...
I wish I could move to NH, but I don't want to sell my house at a loss (thanks Barney).

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jo

7:43 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

what an arrogant jerk you are TMHSGrad....why do you just assume that people here make enough money to even pay the higher MA income tax rate.........where do you live ??

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TMHSGrad

7:49 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

It's not a matter of having enough money to pay the higher tax rate, Jo. It's the fact that Warren and her ilk (yourself included, apparently) preach that we all should pay more taxes, yet when presented with the opportunity to do so themselves, they pass. If that's being arrogant, then I'm arrogant. Jeez - I didn't think my point was that hard to understand.

Richard Jertz

2:43 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Blah blah blah. No one cares. Easy choice vote for who you like best.

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Kevin N

2:47 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Richard - I think you mean vote for who you dislike least - An unfortunate but necessary distinction in American politics today.

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jo

8:44 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

TMHSGrad..................not hard to understand... just hard to swallow--- your mightier than thou attitude is nauseating and by the way.......how does it feel to be an authority on every subject in the universe anyway?

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TMHSGrad

8:56 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

I gotta tell ya - it feels pretty good!!!

Richard Jertz

2:48 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Will the Micelli - Sears debate be televised

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6:12 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

I suggest Scotty's sick supporters do some deep self-examination coupled with a heavy dose of critical thought. Think before you doom those around you.

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P.P. Longstocking

7:37 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

There's no information in that article about how much of Brown's money came from out of state.

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A Taker

9:06 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

What's so bad about citizens wanting to keep as much of the money they've earned as possible? Doesn't everyone want that?

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

10:43 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012

Gosh Leonardo, how can you stand to live here? Wouldn't you be happier in Cuba or the former Soviet Union? They have the kind of controls you would like.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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Leonardo DaVinci

4:46 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Gee I don't know Reverend, I sure wouldn't want to be in a distant place without kind hearted conservative gentlemen like you around to advice me on just where or how I should live the rest of my life? What kind of controls do they have? I don't know about Cuba but I bet the former Soviet Union would be a hard place to find. Thanks anyway, I appreciate that you have my best interest in mind.

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Leonardo DaVinci

5:04 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Ron isn't it a well know fact that Elizabeth Warren is the intellectual architect and the driving force of the Dodd-Frank Act? Hell, some Republicans think she actually wrote the whole thing and not Congress. I think that qualifies as a piece of substantive legislation she has not only proposed but created, don't you agree? I wouldn't take to heart too much of what they spout off over there at Investors.com, they really hate Ms. Warren and a lot of other people who get in their way.

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Vincent DiRico

8:40 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Are you sure about your claim, do you have a link or 2?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/25/elizabeth-warren-occupy-wall-street_n_1030974.html

Warren also said that she supported the Occupy Wall Street protests. "I created much of the intellectual foundation for what they do," she added, referring to her academic research on consumer debt.

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Vincent DiRico

8:41 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

consumer debt -> taken out by irresponsible individuals who spent more $ than they had, wait it sounds like Mr 0 and our debt, go figure

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ron johnson

10:36 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

First of all, I do not agree with your assessment and secondly, please go back and read the statement, the comment was "what has she proposed. I have watched both debates, she botched the question about who is the Senate she can work with and so far all we hear is how she would have voted with the WH on some job bills." I do not care about what imput she may have had in a piece of legislation that was done before, I am asking about what she will do going forward and you knew that was the question.

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Ron

10:47 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

That might be the case but if you believe what Romney said last night, the Act sounded like a kneejerk reaction to the recession that has good points but wasn't thought through enough and caused many regulations (sounds to me like there may be a platoon of lawyers who love the Act). That won't work because the banks like Big Oil will just pay the fees and pass it along to the consumer. If you take a look at the cost of a gallon of gas and look at where those cost break out would you be shcoked if the government gets more than the Oil companies.

I don't dispute that Warren is an intellectual or that she is not qualified to be a Professor. She may be an expert on bankrupcy and an advocate for Wall Street Reform but she lacks the expecience of working in real jobs with real people.

I'm still confused and have to ask why she felt the need to check the box to get the jobs at U Penn and Harvard. Was she advised to do so and if so for what purpose? She didn't for her U Houston college and then she went from a Minority Professor to White after receiving tenure at Harvard.

My parents told me stories when I was young as well. I've learned to love carrots and I still have never seen a rabbit with classes to I guess they were right. She may have Native Americans in her family history. Unfortunately no one has been able to connect them. I'm sure that there is a Left Wing group that would love to be able to produce the documents if it was true.

Leonardo DaVinci

9:08 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Really Vincent, it also sounds a lot like George W's 8 years in office and the entire political power structure who have been running rampant spending money to get want they want on both sides, and then dumping the principle and interest so far over our heads that we can never get that genie back in the bottle. Don't try to blame just the Dems, the Pubs are neck deep in irresponsible behavior and maybe more so, and if you don't believe that, your opinion is invalid to a lot of Americans who view this economic crisis as serious as any war this nation as ever been in. They all sold us out for pure greed, so go talk about irresponsible individuals to someone else.

Vincent a cool breeze like you, should have no trouble finding out what you want to know. Hard for me to believe you think, I think your serious.

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Vincent DiRico

9:45 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

riiiight, LD I know Dem dementia is incurable, the FACTs and links are for folks without that, ... thanks for your links ;)

Leonardo DaVinci

10:11 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Christina's post from Oct. 3: "Quite frankly, I don't have a problem that Scott Brown posed nude ( or semi nude) when he was younger" I don't either, but the point I'm making is the double standard is 100% wrong in an election. Elizabeth Warren would have no chance of being elected to political office if she posed nude or semi nude when she was 22 years old. TMHS's contention that it's not a big deal nowadays is unbelievable. It is, and it speaks to how this election is tilted and how women lose their rights. Christina later says "Somehow I think if Elizabeth Warren had done the same, that there would have been a lot of criticism along with a myriad of tasteless jokes" is 100% true, because there already been a myriad of tastless jokes about this, and it started with Scott Brown's own tasteless remarks! It's a wise ass high school locker room mentality and is why his supporters don't want to draw anymore attention to it like I'm doing now. I don't care what side you take, but why aren't more women confessing that this is a double standard and a horrible injustice to women everywhere, especially someone as accomplished as Warren? Didn't the Pubs vote against equal pay for women? You want to help to elect this guy? What your rights, this is how you lose them? . Elizabeth Warren was a beautiful 22 year old, and if she posed nude at that age, that's all you would see in this election. It's very important to admit the double standard exists. Brown deserves no free passes.

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Patricia

10:38 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Yes there may be a double standard but it's not Browns fault. Lets face it, women posing nude and men posing nude are two different things, hate to say it but biology is biology. What's the big deal about Brown's modeling? I like the fact he worked to put himself through college, he certainly didn't "check a box" to help him along the way. Isn't that a good thing?

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Leonardo DaVinci

2:56 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Elizabeth Warren the Harvard law professor, former head of the Congressional Oversight Panel for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), and driving force behind the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. (Bloomberg Businessweek), Sept. 13, 2012.)

Elizabeth Warren is the intellectual architect of lthe massively unpopular Dodd-Frank Act. (Sept. 25, 2012) (Investors.com) a group that despises Elizabeth Warren.

Ron you asked Lisbeth on Oct. 3rd "Please give me one piece of substantive legislation she has proposed". I told you she did and I can answer that question and you told me "Go for it". So I did and answered the question you asked Lisbeth, and it is as about as well know a fact as you can get out there, about Elizabeth Warren, so I don't know how much more proof you require, but she invented the Dodd-Frank Act, she proposed before hand and is why she was given the task to outline the bill. This is well known information. It's no big secret. So Ron, I know understand why you will just keep glossing over the fact that indeed she proposed this bill long before Congress got their hands on it. I stated a couple of sources who are not big Warren supporters, so do you still not accept the facts?

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ron johnson

3:12 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Leonardo,
Please tell me what she is proposing to do, you are the one avoiding the question. It is easy to be on the outside looking in. I also do not care if she wants to take credit for being the intellectual architect. Its sounds like her defense of her actions when she was working for Travelers and when it fell apart she backed away.
Again, I really do not care what she did on one issue. Is that what she will do the whole time. By the way Brown was behind the crowdfunding bill which by itself has greater potential to help small business.

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Vincent DiRico

3:21 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/092512-627038-warren-like-soulmate-obama-is-con-artist.htm#ixzz28MLbeSjB

She's also written scholarly papers on health care and bankruptcy without showing her data, and crafted federal health and banking regulations without a brain. Warren is the intellectual architect of the massively unpopular Dodd-Frank Act and ObamaCare, both of which are dragging down the U.S. recovery.

She's been accused by several law professors of "repeated instances of scientific misconduct" in authoring papers that have provided the academic underpinnings for financial and health reforms. Peer reviews have dismissed her research as "deeply flawed."

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/elizabeth-warren-champion-of-consumer-financial-protection-07072011.html

The annals of academia are stuffed with provocative proposals. Most die in the library. A little over four years after she first dreamed it up, Warren’s has become a reality. Last summer, President Obama signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, a package of financial reforms meant to prevent another economic meltdown. One of the bill’s pillars is Warren’s watchdog agency, now called the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

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Vincent DiRico

3:23 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

also "intellectual architect" of OWS, her own words!

Leonardo DaVinci

3:06 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Patricia I'm not saying it's Brown's fault a double standard benefits him, I'm just pointing out that the electorate is guilty of a double standard and I know you don't care if he gains an unfair advantage from it, but those who support Warren do. Why not let it go and accept why we do, you would if the shoe was on the other foot? It's just as legitimate a complaint as checking little boxes that no one in reality cares about especially those who hired and promoted Warren. Warren earned everything she got because she is that good. The only people who keep harping on this subject here and in Brown ads are those who throughly hate Elizabeth Warren and who stand to lose their edge in cheating the American consumer of a lot of money. I can understand why they hate her, but I just don't agree with a thing they say.

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ron johnson

3:43 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Leonardo,
I do not "hate her' I just do not support her. I also am tired of the ads from both of them dealing with her hertitage. The problem with your logic is this: Brown gained no advantgage from his actions years ago and perhaps there is a double standard, but he did not create it. However, she may have gained an advantage by her actions, they go to the heart of integrity and that is the issue with her claims.
I am sorry that you cannot see the distinction and perhaps your unwillingess to do so, speaks to your view of the candidates as well

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P.P. Longstocking

6:56 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Whenever Republicans don't have a leg to stand on they stand on tea leaves. They try to reinterpret things from the opposing candidate's past. Things like "character" and "integrity" -- things which aren't facts but 100% subjective. When Republicans are questioned about their own candidates lack of, say, integrity or character -- Mitt Romney's lack thereof being an example -- then Republicans get pretend-incensed and morally outraged at the Democrats "playing politics" over important issues. God they're boring.

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Vincent DiRico

7:44 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

"don't have a leg to stand on" -> PP have you seen the recent poll data rolling in?

"reinterpret" -> you mean like this?

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/10/09/phony_in_chief/page/full/

please share how/where this story went wrong?

The community organizer in chief used common liberal tactics here (ie gas bag Joe's "they'll put yall back in chains" comment), ...

Leonardo DaVinci

6:37 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

OK Ron, and I do not support him, we can agree on that

Victor, you would have to look far and wide to find people who hate Elizabeth Warren more than that group, but compliments to you and Ron for your research and work on these subjects, which is far more through than many who post on this site. I respect your passion and efforts, although we do not agree, please respect mine.

When I was young and we elected American Presidents and leaders, we got behind them, because we were all Americans in common and were proud of our Democracy and the process that represented our freedom. Divisive politics have turned us into Conservatives or Liberals, Rich or Poor or anything else to accent our differences rather than our commonality. Sadly the team concept for America is being destroyed by special interests who conquer and divide for the wealth of the land but who gains? Obama didn't create this mess and was never given the honor and respect that a President once deserved. He has suffered unfairly, more than his share of hate and distrust and uncooperative subordinates. Warren, Brown, and Romney didn't cause our problems either, but should the two Political Parties control the way we live and think. They are all in one big club together, are we? They do well to create our insecurites don't they? Trust and honor needs to be restored in each other or we will never move forward and accept the sacrifices needed to rid ourselves of our nation's life destroying National Debt.

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Leonardo DaVinci

9:07 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

Excuse me I meant Vincent not Victor.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

7:51 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Meanwhile the Obama campaign unravels before us. Americans die in Libya due to lax security, and Obama runs ads featuring Big Bird.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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Iron Mike

7:55 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Just HIS special way of flipping us a big 'bird'...

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