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Not a Person?

This is what we all looked like at 12 weeks in the womb.

 

This is what we all looked like at 12 weeks in the womb. 

Legal to kill in all 50 states. 

Anyone think it's not a person? 

Pass this along. 

It literally might save a life.

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Diana September 14, 2012 at 08:45 PM
You're not real clear on what "inconsistent" or "logic" mean, are you? The real inconsistency comes from people who don't want to deal with the "hard reality" that children need to be fed, housed, clothed, and educated (in some cases), and want women to have babies they can't afford to provide for, all the while whining about having to support them via government assistance. I, on the other hand, am completely consistent. I don't care if it's a person or a life. You're a person, but you don't get to live in my body against my will. My organs are mine, and no one has the right to their use without my consent.
DannyBoy September 14, 2012 at 08:58 PM
Michael Victor: I believe abortion should be legal. To your example of China, do you know that the government enforces a strict policy of one child per household, and that forced abortions are performed on unwilling pregnant mothers? In some cases, if the mother goes ahead with the birth of the second child, the household is fined an exorbitant amount of money, and if they cannot afford it, then they choose to abort. Another reason that the ratio of boys to girls is so skewed is that that culture and society favor the male sex.
whatsup September 14, 2012 at 09:30 PM
I do not care about someone having a view about abortion being legal, illegal, semi legal or whatever. What I do disagree is garbage and lies to promote a viewpoint and people coming up with excuses to support the lie. its utterly lame to post a picture and say this is wait a 12 week fetus looks like, and legal to kill in 50 states, much like t would be unfair for be to post a picture of dog poop and say that is Jim Morse's brain and would smell in 50 states.
david mokal September 14, 2012 at 09:55 PM
I Really dont care what he thinks this isnt even worth texting about. Just heard on the Scanner a while ago cops chasing 5 kids with guns thats more important.
Jim Morse September 15, 2012 at 11:17 AM
Massachusetts "Choose Life" license plate count is 3,054. Make that 3,055 with my order! Order yours here: http://www.machoose-life.org/
Meggle September 15, 2012 at 03:02 PM
MO: You have to deal with the realities of the situation. Contraceptives prevent pregnancies, and preventing pregnancies prevents abortion. Condoms fail up at a rate of at least 18% in typical use. That means for every 100 times two people have sex with a condom, 18 pregnancies will result. For contraceptive use, it's 8% with typical use. For every 100 people, then, 8 will fall pregnant -- 10 less pregnancies. For an IUD (that is, Paraguard -- No Hormones) or IUS (That is, Mirena -- has miniscule amounts of hormones) the pregnancy rate is 0.8% -- that means for every 100 people engaging in sexual activities LESS than 1 person will become pregnant. With no contraceptive use at all, 85% of the time a woman will become pregnant -- so 85 pregnancies out of 100 sexual encounters. Educating people in sex and proper contraceptive use as well as making contraceptives, including the IUD/IUS which have an incredibly high success rate and last for 6-10 YEARS -- more available and more understood prevents pregnancies and thus prevents abortion. As well, your claim that oral contraceptives cause cancer is tenuous at best, especially considering the risk is VERY slight and is actually GONE within 10 years of stopping hormonal contraceptives -- read: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/oral-contraceptives
Meggle September 15, 2012 at 03:03 PM
Do you support making contraceptives widely available in order to prevent pregnancies and thus abortions?
david mokal September 15, 2012 at 04:47 PM
MIKE G is that why in your picture your holding your head! :>)
Diana September 15, 2012 at 05:37 PM
You can have whatever thoughts you like, but if they're wrong I'm here to help by correcting you with like, facts and stuff, many of which I've read in books. You're welcome.
Jim Morse September 15, 2012 at 11:47 PM
Women pay $40,000 for a girl. Boys are left to die. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2203712/Americas-100m-year-gender-selection-industry-revealed.html
DannyBoy September 15, 2012 at 11:58 PM
Just to clarify that article for you, Jim Morse, it's referring to embryos, not fully developed humans. No "boys are left to die".
Meggle September 16, 2012 at 12:12 AM
The Daily Mail is a UK Tabloid...It's like the magazines on a supermarket that claim aliens are coming...
Jim Morse September 16, 2012 at 02:12 AM
I did a search of Gender Selection in the US and it's everywhere. There is a bill to try and stop it too. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2012/09/sex_selection_in_babies_through_pgd_americans_are_paying_to_have_daughters_rather_than_sons_.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_selection http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jasmeet-sidhu/should-sex-selection-of-embryos-be-regulated-in-the-united-states_b_1883586.html Dannyboy, the issue of when is an embryo or a fetus a "life" is the heart of the abortion issue. Personally I believe that it begins at fertilization. http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
Meggle September 16, 2012 at 02:36 AM
Do you want to ban IVF treatments? They work identically except there is no selection involved.
Meggle September 16, 2012 at 02:43 AM
Also, the bill you're talking about bans selective abortions, not sex-selection during IVF...
Jim Morse September 16, 2012 at 03:03 AM
Meggie, The bill I was talking about failed and here is the summary, "A Republican-sponsored bill that would have banned sex-selective abortions failed in the House of Representatives Thursday," http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/sex-selection-abortion-vote-fails-house-gop_n_1559827.html The only time I've ever thought about IVF was when "Octo-Mom," was making headlines. I am a Catholic and I just saw that the church is opposed to it. I would agree with them.
Meggle September 16, 2012 at 02:20 PM
Again, this bill talks about sex-selective *abortions*. You're talking about sex-selecting during IVF. They are two very, very different procedures... A sex-selective abortion basically means a zygote has progressed to an embryo and a fetus and is far enough along in development that you can accurately sex the child via an ultrasound. While it has happened among some groups where there is cultural pressure, sex selective abortions are not common, as 91.5% of abortions are done before the time when one could even tell the sex of a child (13 weeks is when you can tell), and the gender ratio in the US -- 105 boys are born for every 100 girls. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/congress-debates-ban-on-sex-selective-abortions-as-researchers-explore-how-often-they-happen/2012/05/30/gJQAwhpN2U_blog.html Sex-selection during IVF means that the egg cells and sperm cells are combined in basically a petri dish outside of the body. The zygotes are cultured and the lab can select one (or two) that is most likely to result in a pregnancy for implantation. If they want to select the sex, then they select embryos that have the matching sex chromosomes in addition to being most likely to survive in the womb.
MO September 16, 2012 at 03:25 PM
What about infanticide, when a failed abortion results in a very alive baby that is then left to die? Senator Obama listened to nurse Jill Stanek describe how she spent 45 minutes holding a living baby left to die. Obama still opposed the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act. He is an abortion extremist. How do you feel about that Megpie?
Diana September 16, 2012 at 04:06 PM
I don't suppose you have any credible citation for that story, or any statistics (again, from a credible source) of exactly how often a "failed abortion" results in a live extra-uterine fetus?
Diana September 16, 2012 at 04:10 PM
Still waiting for you to address my request for a more credible citation on the cancer thing, by the way. You know, whenever you're ready.
david mokal September 16, 2012 at 04:18 PM
Dam Right I would. Rape is an assault. Life without Parole. BUT the same for women who lie that they been raped same who gave consentual sex then when there drugs wore off they say that they been raped. But Ella I do agree Life without parole..and if the women was severely beaten to an inch of her life EXECUTION. I feel very strongly about this. Mant women died from back room abortions.
Jim Morse September 16, 2012 at 04:20 PM
At 8 am this morning I received a call that there has been a sudden and unexpected death in my family. I'll be busy for a few days. I can't say the name as not all of the family has been notified. If you have my email or phone number, please feel free to call. If you believe in God, please offer up a prayer. ttyl
MO September 16, 2012 at 04:35 PM
Praying that God will comfort you and your family during this difficult time. God bless.
DannyBoy September 16, 2012 at 04:42 PM
Jim Morse, I am very sorry to hear this and offer my condolences to you and your family in this difficult time.
Meggle September 16, 2012 at 06:35 PM
I will address no points from you unless you can do me the respect by referring to me as my actual name or counter anything I have posted with civil debate. If you cannot be bothered to give me that respect, then do not bother engaging me.
Meggle September 16, 2012 at 06:36 PM
Sorry to hear that this has happened, I hope your family will find the strength they need in this time.
MO September 16, 2012 at 08:12 PM
Meggle, chill out man! Meggle, Meggie, Megpie..whatever!! It was a typo. Did you know that oral contraceptives cause high blood pressure too? Thank you for proving my point, smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors. Hey, the Magpie is a very smart bird, maybe you should try that out. Now there’s a compliment for you.
Diana September 16, 2012 at 09:03 PM
Still no citations, huh? Smoke and mirrors, indeed.
Diana September 16, 2012 at 09:13 PM
danny, you're right, and I regret my use of "retard" to describe MO. That's disrespectful to people who are legitimately mentally disabled through no fault of their own, and not just willfully ignorant. That said, every single thing that MO has posted here is at best misrepresentative of the facts if not demonstrably absolutely false. That means that either he believes this stuff and is ignorant, or he knows that it's false and he's a liar. These are the options. Pointing that out isn't name-calling, it's observation.
Jarret Bencks (Editor) September 17, 2012 at 12:45 AM
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